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Bill: Full Tobacco Restoration Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: National Imperial Hobrazian Front
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2077
Description[?]:
| With the eminent victory of L-PU's smokeless tobacco bill, it is once again time to re-examine our nation's arcane tobacco laws. It is a strong belief of the CSP that the government should interfere in no way whatsoever when it comes to what Hobrazia's citizens do with their bodies. As such, we propose the legalization fully of all tobacco products. However, some safeguards will be put into place that will educate and protect the consumer from some of tobacco's negative side effects. -Tobacco products may only be sold to and consumed by legal adults. -Tobacco may only be sold through licensed vendors. -All tobacco products must have clear warning labels on them detailing potential health hazards. -Smoking in public places is not permitted. -Smoking in the presence of a minor is strictly prohibited. -Tobacco companies are responsible for reimbursement of those harmed by their products. -At least 15% of all revenues garnered by tobacco companies must be spent on school programs that raise awareness of potential risks of consumption. -Tobacco will be removed from the "Watchdog" list from previous legislation. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards smoking.
Old value:: Smoking is legal outdoors and in private homes and clubs, but illegal indoors in all places of employment.
Current: Smoking regulations are to be determined by local governments.
Proposed: Smoking is legal outdoors and in private homes and clubs, but illegal indoors in places of employment, with the exception of places that primarily serve liquor.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:18:21, July 06, 2005 CET | From |   Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Full Tobacco Restoration Act |
| Message | I can support something like this. Also a percentage of tobacco company profits should go to prevention and awarness programs at all public and private schools in Hobrazia. Just add your proposals and I'll support this. |
| Date | 22:19:27, July 06, 2005 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Full Tobacco Restoration Act |
| Message | Good suggestion, L-PU. I'll add it right away. |
| Date | 22:20:50, July 06, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Full Tobacco Restoration Act |
| Message | Please don't let Hobrazian citizens back to damaging their bodies with tobacco after a 20+ year spell of release. This is also in contravention of the latest drug act (http://aiglesrv.no-ip.info:8080/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=8157) as the watchdog created bans all harmful drugs - tobacco is clearly one of those. |
| Date | 22:22:14, July 06, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Full Tobacco Restoration Act |
| Message | I still think it is pointless to let people use a drug again whilst saying how bad it is - you're contradicting yourself. What company would also let itself be bound by the conditions suggested? |
| Date | 22:22:46, July 06, 2005 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Full Tobacco Restoration Act |
| Message | @UB- Then I will add a clause stating that tobacco is exempt from the "Watchdog." Thanks for pointing that out. |
| Date | 22:25:43, July 06, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Full Tobacco Restoration Act |
| Message | We might have the votes to pass this even without the support of any other of the parties. But one more supporter will easily give the votes to pass. Perhaps the RP will go along with this. |
| Date | 22:27:10, July 06, 2005 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Full Tobacco Restoration Act |
| Message | @UB- What company would operate under such conditions? Pretty much all of them in RL. And yes, tobacco is harmful. Is that the government's business? No. If recreational drugs are allowed- all of which have potential health risks- then is it so wrong for someone to puff on a fine Hobrazian cigar after a hard day's work? |
| Date | 22:29:53, July 06, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Full Tobacco Restoration Act |
| Message | Tobacco is bad yes, but it is their own choice to use. And if it's limited as to where andwhen they can smoke (not around children or in public) for example, minimizes the health risks posed from second hand smoke. |
| Date | 22:31:29, July 06, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Full Tobacco Restoration Act |
| Message | "If recreational drugs are allowed- all of which have potential health risks" - which is why there is the watchdog to ban those that are too harmful, e.g. tobacco. "What company would operate under such conditions? Pretty much all of them in RL" - I don't know of any countries where a company has to pay such a large sum of its revenue to tell people not to use its product. "Tobacco will be removed from the "Watchdog" list from previous legislation" - What makes tobacco different to any other recreational drug? "is it so wrong for someone to puff on a fine Hobrazian cigar after a hard day's work?" - Hobrazian cigars do not exist after 20 years of them being banned! If you are going to this to tobcco then why not extend all of this to all recreational drugs? |
| Date | 22:31:40, July 06, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Full Tobacco Restoration Act |
| Message | Because someone puffing on a cigar after a hard days work effects others, unless you're going to ban smoking in any environment should another person be stood anywhere near enough to inhale any of the substance...? |
| Date | 22:34:19, July 06, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Full Tobacco Restoration Act |
| Message | "we propose the legalization fully of all tobacco products" - that's a lie as your points are imposng limits so they are not completely legal (yes, I know I'm being a little pedantic here). |
| Date | 22:46:34, July 06, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Full Tobacco Restoration Act |
| Message | "I don't know of any countries where a company has to pay such a large sum of its revenue to tell people not to use its product."- Here in America, The Phillip Morris company spends billions on anti-smoking programs and prevention everyear. Not because they care about the people, but they care about their image. |
| Date | 22:48:40, July 06, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Full Tobacco Restoration Act |
| Message | Anyway let's send this to vote. We can't change each others beliefs so let's get it over with... |
| Date | 22:49:35, July 06, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Full Tobacco Restoration Act |
| Message | Be assured that if this passes we will be trying to turn it back after the next elections. |
| Date | 22:56:13, July 06, 2005 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Full Tobacco Restoration Act |
| Message | @UB- Yea, you are overly analyzing the semantics here. By "legalization fully" we meant legalization of all tobacco products. If the watchdog group singles out just tobacco, then it fails in its job. What recreational drugs are not too harmful, really? Marijuana, the safest of recreational drugs, still has higher amounts of carcinogens in them than does tobacco. Cocaine and Crack-cocaine? Addictive, raises blood pressure, high tolerance buildup, errosion of nose cartlidge, easy overdose. LSD, MDMA, DXM, and psychadelic mushrooms? Destroys brain cells, some of these can induce prolonged psychosis. Opiates? Extremely addictive, high tolerance buildup, some forms are prone to easy overdose. Alochol? Can be addictive, causes liver damage, can induce alcohol poisoning. Recreational drug use is not a safe hobby. If the watchdog group does its job, then there would be no recreational drugs left to be legal! True, there are no nations that require companies to pay such a large amount of revenue for awareness programs, but some companies still engage in such practices. Phillip Morris, the world's largest supplier of tobacco products, spends a good deal of its revenue doing just that. If it is possible for an American to find a pre-Castro era cigar within his or her country forty years after the embargo against Cuba, then it is not unreasonable for a Hobrazian to find a cigar made in his or her own country a mere twenty years later. If it would make you happy, UB, then I could include a clause that would create a seperate entity dedicated to monitering trends, health risks, etc. among tobacco users. |
| Date | 22:59:40, July 06, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Full Tobacco Restoration Act |
| Message | "If the watchdog group does its job, then there would be no recreational drugs left to be legal!" - That doesn't really bother me. "it is not unreasonable for a Hobrazian to find a cigar made in his or her own country a mere twenty years later." - Assuming of course that Hobrazia is suitable for tobacco growing. "If it would make you happy, UB, then I could include a clause that would create a seperate entity dedicated to monitering trends, health risks, etc. among tobacco users." - It wouldn't actually... |
| Date | 01:28:22, July 07, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Liberal Party | To | Debating the Full Tobacco Restoration Act |
| Message | Tobacco has been banned for twenty years. As far as we can see, bringing it back will only have negative effects. We stood only for the legalisation of natural drugs (and voted against the modified bill which legalised all drugs), as they do have a tangible positive effect on top of the negatives (ie. a high). Tobacco does not, it only causes harm to users and those around them. We must vote against this bill for the sake of our citizens' health. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 195 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 165 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 40 |
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