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Bill: National Defence Act

Details

Submitted by[?]: Rutanian Conservative Party

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: November 2325

Description[?]:

An Act to help protect Rutania in times of war.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date12:23:31, December 06, 2006 CET
From Democratic Socialist's
ToDebating the National Defence Act
MessageWe are in favour of a stronger approch to article 3, but are willing to accept this bill as is.

Date16:44:22, December 06, 2006 CET
From National Radical Union
ToDebating the National Defence Act
MessageWhy is this necessary? Our nation is a neutral democracy, period.

Date00:56:39, December 07, 2006 CET
From Democratic Socialist's
ToDebating the National Defence Act
MessageNeutrality does not garuntee safty. This bill doesn't demade that we become agressive, only that we prepare to defend ourselves if the worst should happen.

Date01:00:35, December 07, 2006 CET
From Rutanian Conservative Party
ToDebating the National Defence Act
MessageWe agree. This doesn't mean we will go out and attack everyone. Just puts in place measures to help if we are dragged into a war.

Date04:59:15, December 07, 2006 CET
From People's Party of Rutania
ToDebating the National Defence Act
MessageWhile the PPR supports the majority of this proposal, we vehemently oppose a draft of any nature. Therefore, we shall abstain from voting.

Date05:34:54, December 07, 2006 CET
From Rutanian Conservative Party
ToDebating the National Defence Act
MessageWould you still oppose a draft in times of war?

Date06:27:36, December 07, 2006 CET
From People's Party of Rutania
ToDebating the National Defence Act
MessageThe government has no right to force an individual to put his life in danger. If the country were to be attacked, it's assumed that the people would more than willingly volunteer to defend their friends and family. Forcing one to fight does nothing but lower morale. Furthermore, when conscripting all individuals, the pace at which training is conducted has to be adjusted to the level of the lowest quality manpower, thus lowering the effectiveness of the force as a whole.
Conscription is essentially chattel slavery.

Date09:02:19, December 07, 2006 CET
From Rutanian Conservative Party
ToDebating the National Defence Act
MessageConscription is not slavery. One, it is only to be used in protecting our country. Two, not all people volunteer to defend their friends and family as they only care for themselves. Three, It doesn't say in the bill that the term in the military must be served in the front line. It could be in the hospitals or somewhere similar.

Date22:02:02, December 07, 2006 CET
From People's Party of Rutania
ToDebating the National Defence Act
MessageConscription is involuntary labor that is demanded by an established authority. Conscripts' lives are placed in the hands of their superiors to be sacrificed at will. The fact that this is implimented to protect the country does not justify denying an individual his civil liberties.

You're right that there would be individuals unwilling to serve, but the vast majority of people would. If the opposite were true and the majority cared only for themselves, it'd do no good to place these individuals into military roles. Who's to say that they wouldn't desert or simply refuse to comply with orders? After all, they have no interest in the well-being of others.

Conscription replaces quality with quantity within the ranks and completely removes hard to replace members of the work force. At best, conscription during times of war will create a large and unwieldy army of soldiers with rudimentary training. It is best to stick with strictly professional armed forces.

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
  

Total Seats: 71

no
  

Total Seats: 372

abstain
  

Total Seats: 156


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