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Bill: Allow private cars 2326
Details
Submitted by[?]: Malivia Democratic Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2327
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning private cars.
Old value:: Private cars are not allowed.
Current: Private cars are allowed, but people are encouraged to travel collective and tax incentives are provided for cars using environmentally friendly fuels.
Proposed: Only one car allowed per household, people are encouraged to travel collective and tax incentives on cars using environmentally friendly fuels.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 09:18:34, December 10, 2006 CET | From | Malivia Democratic Party | To | Debating the Allow private cars 2326 |
| Message | Lengthy case for this bill. 1. The current prohibition on private autos unfairly punishes those who live in the country or suburbs, where public transportation cannot possibly reach every single resident in those areas, and puts public transportation at a highly expensive and not cost effective method. 2. Private auto is a source of freedom for many. By banning private autos, that is restricting their freedom to travel. 3. In the entire world, 2 other nations prohibit private autos: One is a fascist nation run by Deltaria, one is a nation also formerly run by Deltaria 4. The argument that autos pollute also applies to public transportation and farm animals. The MDP believes the LPs excessive opinion on environment overlooks the reality. Autos in 2326 pollute the same or less than public transportation. 5. The cost to provide public transportation to every single Malivian resident (see suburb and country) is exceedingly cost excessive to the Malivian economy and would be better served to the Malivian taxpayer to undo this huge burden. 6. 94% of Malivian voters support some form of private autos. To have parties overtly tell 94% of Malivia that they cannot have private autos is highly arrogant, and not in line with the wishes of Malivia at large. 7. The recent election of 2326: The MDP has campaigned on the allowance of private autos, and the voters responded in well. Every other party who opposed private autos saw its share decrease as voters repudiated those parties. The LP, a noted opponent of private autos, lost 8 seats. The LSP, another opponent, lost 13 seats. The PP lost 9 seats. The MDP understand that electoral success depends on listening to the voters. Given all 7 reasons to change this law, the MDP feels other parties have no choice but to either comply with the change in this law, or face further repudiation by the voters. |
| Date | 15:37:40, December 10, 2006 CET | From | Leviathan Party | To | Debating the Allow private cars 2326 |
| Message | Point by point: 1) Suburbs are a grossly inefficient living arrangement Malivia has quite happily discouraged. As cars have been illegal in Malivia or over a hundred years, our housing arrangements have already adapted to be more dense and centrally located. Your concerns regarding the suburbs are moot. 2) There is no connection between a private car and freedom that cannot be acheived with a private car and a bicycle, especially given our cities designed around pedestrian traffic. 3) Just because bad people have good ideas does not make those ideas bad. 4) The MDP has no statistics to support their claims regarding pollution, and in fact their claims are incredulous. Under no possible scenario do busses, being single vehicles that transport dozens of people, produce less pollution than a fleet of cars to move the same number of people. Busses require less room, take up less space on the roads, and of course are suplemented by rail. 5) This argument is moot given that Malivia has adapted to a carless society. 6 and 7) If the MDP is so confident their recent electoral successes were due to their stance on a single issue they would not be here telling us to agree with them, thus removing the sole reason voters supported their party. The MDP would do well not to lecture as if we are students awaiting their enlightened teachings. The simple fact is that, no matter how many people want cars, it is quite impossible to legalize them again. Our nation would be required to rebuild a transportation network that was dismantled generations ago, costing us trillions of pliny. This would then be followed by a similarly radical, and expensive, change in housing, since our harmonious and elegant cities are not built to allow car traffic in and out of residential areas. Trillions of pliny, years of construction, all to create allow a single passenger vehicle that is only as efficient, if not less efficient, than our current network of public transit. Popular support does not make an idea a good idea. If the MDP is so sure of their stance on this, then let them continue to vote it and rise to dominate all of Malivian politics. In the mean time, please keep any ill supported and condescending lessons for your party faithful, for whom pressing matters of state do not matter. |
| Date | 12:43:23, December 11, 2006 CET | From | Leviathan Party | To | Debating the Allow private cars 2326 |
| Message | ooc: i found the original bill if anyone is interested: http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=80108 for some reason i thought we'd banned cars back in the 2100's, but 30 years, 300 years, what's a zero? |
| Date | 15:48:35, December 11, 2006 CET | From |  Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Allow private cars 2326 |
| Message | 1) Currently cars are only banned in urban areas with a population over 70K according to the legistlation pointed to by the LevP. Thus rural individuals still have transportation available. We support a ban across the nation however that is not the current law. 2) transportation is not prohibited. Other vehicles are permitted such as bikes, rental vehicles for vacations, as well as public systems such as trains and buses. freedom of movement is not resticted. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 49 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 151 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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