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Bill: Military Security Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Marxist-Socialist Party of Hobrazia
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2328
Description[?]:
| To assist the government of Hobrazia in its defence of its national territory against enemies that surround it. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's defence industry.
Old value:: The state owns national defence industries but these exist alongside privately owned defence industries.
Current: The state owns national defence industries but these exist alongside privately owned defence industries.
Proposed: The state owns all defence industries.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve either a term in the military or a lesser paid term of civilian national service, at their option.
Current: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve either a term in the military or a lesser paid term of civilian national service, at their option.
Proposed: All adults upon completion of schooling can be required in times of war to serve a term in the military.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding the treatment of prisoners of war.
Old value:: Prisoners of war are treated according to the national laws of the captor power.
Current: Prisoners of war must be treated well, according to internationally-accepted standards.
Proposed: Prisoners of war must be treated well, according to internationally-accepted standards.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 05:45:03, December 11, 2006 CET | From |  National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Military Security Act |
| Message | Aye to all points. |
| Date | 08:46:10, December 11, 2006 CET | From | Hobrazian Peoples Party | To | Debating the Military Security Act |
| Message | We only agree on article 1 |
| Date | 08:48:12, December 11, 2006 CET | From | Hobrazian Peoples Party | To | Debating the Military Security Act |
| Message | According to the descriptioon this should aid the government better. How??? With the current legislation the military/government have more favorable possibilities (excpet article 1). |
| Date | 09:11:49, December 11, 2006 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Military Security Act |
| Message | Article 1 doesn't help in defence of national territory or protection. Should war break out the public sector would only produce large quantities of existing equipment as R&D costs are extremely high and would cost the State money that would otherwise be used in equipment freeing the private sector to R&D new equipment. The current law maintains a "best of both worlds" probability. We accept article 4. |
| Date | 15:12:12, December 11, 2006 CET | From | Marxist-Socialist Party of Hobrazia | To | Debating the Military Security Act |
| Message | Article 2 assists in the military in case of war because it will have a supply of troops to defend the nation. Nuclear biological or chemical weapons should be only used in such an attack on Hobrazia. |
| Date | 15:39:20, December 11, 2006 CET | From | Hobrazian Peoples Party | To | Debating the Military Security Act |
| Message | But it requires a time of war which when happening will already be to late for conscription and education. With the current law on this issue there is both a military education and conscription for those who wants it. This still though provides the nation with one of the largest and best armies in Terra, also shown by the large ministry. Furthermore we save money while people are doing civilian national service. On the issue recarding B and C weapons we do not believe that it would aid our nation in military matters to only allow the use of such weapons in retaliation as war is war and must be fought with the weapons available. |
| Date | 15:51:56, December 11, 2006 CET | From | Marxist-Socialist Party of Hobrazia | To | Debating the Military Security Act |
| Message | In times of war, since we have the best military anyway you state. If our neighbors attack us we will be able to defend our national borders until more troops can be conscripted and serve in the military. |
| Date | 16:18:24, December 11, 2006 CET | From | Hobrazian Peoples Party | To | Debating the Military Security Act |
| Message | Only if we operate a permanent consription. With war time only consciption you'll be sending uneducated young men straight to death. We need to operate a permanent and capable army that can defend our proud nation. With no conscription there will be no army. |
| Date | 21:02:36, December 11, 2006 CET | From | Clyrvská Dynastia | To | Debating the Military Security Act |
| Message | We could support 2, possibly 3, but not 1. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 100 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 300 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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