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Bill: Alcohol Prohibition
Details
Submitted by[?]: Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2127
Description[?]:
| If you're going to ban Recreational Drugs than you better ban alcohol because more people die from alcohol than all other drugs combined. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:52:11, July 08, 2005 CET | From | Rationalist Party | To | Debating the Alcohol Prohibition |
| Message | Can I ask one question? When was the last time someone took one drink and died right there? Apply that to other drugs now. |
| Date | 19:55:11, July 08, 2005 CET | From |  Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Alcohol Prohibition |
| Message | During Alcohol Prohibition....Look it up. |
| Date | 19:55:49, July 08, 2005 CET | From | Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Alcohol Prohibition |
| Message | People DIED or became BLINDED from bathtub gin. |
| Date | 20:07:11, July 08, 2005 CET | From | Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Alcohol Prohibition |
| Message | However, if you study history, you'll see that the thirteen-year era of alcohol prohibition actually made matters much much worse. In fact, prohibition was an unmitigated disaster. Crime skyrocketed, corruption spread through government and police forces, gang violence soared, riddling our streets with bullets. Poorly distilled and unregulated "bathtub gin" blinded and killed people -- both "addicts" and "casual recreational users". But most importantly, Prohibition did not stop people from drinking alcohol. While there was a drop in usage the first year, by the third year usage was greater than the year before prohibition. See this link for a handy chart: http://www.drugwarfaq.com/ |
| Date | 20:10:24, July 08, 2005 CET | From | Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Alcohol Prohibition |
| Message | http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-157.html This link goes with the last sentence in my last post. The link I put takes you to where I got that from. |
| Date | 20:18:33, July 08, 2005 CET | From | Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Alcohol Prohibition |
| Message | Prohibition Caused Corruption It was hoped that Prohibition would eliminate corrupting influences in society; instead, Prohibition itself be- came a major source of corruption. Everyone from major politicians to the cop on the beat took bribes from bootleggers, moonshiners, crime bosses, and owners of speakeasies. The Bureau of Prohibition was particularly susceptible and had to be reorganized to reduce corruption. According to Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Lincoln C. Andrews, "conspiracies are nation wide in extent, in great numbers, organized, well-financed, and cleverly conducted."[52] De- spite additional resources and reorganization, corruption continued within the bureau. Commissioner of Prohibition Henry Anderson concluded that "the fruitless efforts at enforcement are creating public disregard not only for this law but for all laws. Public corruption through the purchase of official protection for this illegal traffic is widespread and notorious. The courts are cluttered with prohibition cases to an extent which seriously affects the entire administration of justice."[53] Prohibition not only created the Bureau of Prohibition, it gave rise to a dramatic increase in the size and power of other government agencies as well. Between 1920 and 1930 employment at the Customs Service increased 45 percent, and the service's annual budget increased 123 percent. Personnel of the Coast Guard increased 188 percent during the 1920s, and its budget increased more than 500 percent between 1915 and 1932. Those increases were primarily due to the Coast Guard's and the Customs Service's role in enforcing Prohibition.[54] |
| Date | 21:14:11, July 08, 2005 CET | From | Rationalist Party | To | Debating the Alcohol Prohibition |
| Message | Your source link is obviously biased (see top right of screen) Also, if there is NO REGULATION on what individuals can put in their bodis then they are not protected from: AIDS from needles "enhanced" drugs poorly purified chemical drugs |
| Date | 22:29:00, July 08, 2005 CET | From | Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Alcohol Prohibition |
| Message | OMG! I NEVER said NO REGULATION! I AM FOR REGULATION! That is the whole point!!!!!! You cant regulate if it is ILLEGAL! And facts are facts. It doesnt matter where it came from. |
| Date | 22:46:55, July 08, 2005 CET | From | Rationalist Party | To | Debating the Alcohol Prohibition |
| Message | Sorry about the aids etc stuff, wrong debate :P I was just pointing out the obvious political leanings of the site, breathe |
| Date | 20:09:49, July 12, 2005 CET | From | Rationalist Party | To | Debating the Alcohol Prohibition |
| Message | btw, pure heroin (actually that entire family of drugs) can kill in one dose, alcohol can't |
| Date | 07:16:16, July 13, 2005 CET | From | Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Alcohol Prohibition |
| Message | We are debating regulation and unregulation, not how bad each one is. With regulation heroin may still be dangerous, but it can be controlled much better. |
| Date | 10:36:01, July 14, 2005 CET | From | Telemon Lutheran Party | To | Debating the Alcohol Prohibition |
| Message | Wait a sec IP, you are saying that you can 'regulate' the use of heroin by making it legal, even though tonnes of people die from using it each year, but you want to also 'regulate' the consumption of alcohol by making it illegal? That doesnt make sense. By making it illegal, more people will want it and therfore it will be made illegally, and did you even read your link IP?? It's bias. Its a bunch of propoganda, a good argument would suggest reasons for and against, yours is just attacking all drug bans without any justification. And furthermore, I have heard nothing about this so called widly known Rand study. |
| Date | 18:48:48, July 14, 2005 CET | From | Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Alcohol Prohibition |
| Message | NO, the reason I brought this bill is to show how DUMB it is to make drugs illegal. I was NEVER going to put this to vote. I dont want alcohol to be illegal for the same reasons I dont want drugs to be illegal. They BOTH need to be legal in order to regulate them. |
| Date | 18:50:11, July 14, 2005 CET | From | Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Alcohol Prohibition |
| Message | " yours is just attacking all drug bans without any justification. " No justification? Did you read ANY of this debate? |
| Date | 02:39:56, October 18, 2005 CET | From | Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Alcohol Prohibition |
| Message | Im just putting this to vote so it does not take up space on the debate chart, but also allowing it to stay on record so I can refer back to it instead of deleting it. |
| Date | 03:29:54, October 18, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Party of Telamon | To | Debating the Alcohol Prohibition |
| Message | I'll agree out of boredom...doesnt mean i'll agree to your drug use law though. ;p |
| Date | 08:28:40, October 18, 2005 CET | From | Anti-Ownership Federation Party | To | Debating the Alcohol Prohibition |
| Message | so wait a minute here....... You're making a point that alcohol prohibiton causes corruption.. and then your voting for alcohol prohibition? is there something im missing? |
| Date | 18:41:06, October 18, 2005 CET | From | Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Alcohol Prohibition |
| Message | Yes you are missing a whole lot. READ |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 83 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 103 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 69 |
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