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Bill: Überalles I
Details
Submitted by[?]: Guds og Konges Kjemprene
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2331
Description[?]:
| Note that we're capeable of writing the letter "Ü"! :-) To Art. 1: This is to ensure democracy. If there will be three or more parties about equally important, then it would be unfair if the biggest one only could determine the cabinet. To Art. 2: This would be more efficient and considerably cheaper than the law in the Uberall bill. Normally, neutral bodies cost a lot of money, and if the state normally compensates in a fair way, there will be less costs with this law. To Art. 3: This is a try to get back to the Kazulian roots of Kazulia. While mountain lions are kingly animals, polar bears certainly are more then equal in the matters of worthyness. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The constitutional right and responsibility to propose a cabinet to the legislature.
Old value:: Only the largest party can propose a cabinet.
Current: Each party can propose a cabinet coalition.
Proposed: Each party can propose a cabinet coalition.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:00:35, December 15, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Überalles I |
| Message | ooc: well, it is no simple to put diaeresis on Unix keyboard. :p We will accept only 3. |
| Date | 19:01:24, December 15, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Überalles I |
| Message | About 1, this is simply resolved with the HoS option. |
| Date | 15:45:40, December 16, 2006 CET | From | Guds og Konges Kjemprene | To | Debating the Überalles I |
| Message | Why not 1 and 2? To 1, only if Head of State and Party with the most Seats are different, which seldom happens. |
| Date | 16:25:31, December 16, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Überalles I |
| Message | Not correct: if we use the endorsment mechanic, we will have coalitions and then possible governments. |
| Date | 23:22:13, December 16, 2006 CET | From | Guds og Konges Kjemprene | To | Debating the Überalles I |
| Message | Not correct: who will? You haven't and we probably won't either. The only way we'll have real democracy is to let every party propose cabinet. If we won't allow this, we'll never have a cabinet without the biggest party or the head of state. |
| Date | 16:06:12, December 17, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Überalles I |
| Message | Why? Take a look on other elections: there are several nations where the HoS is not the biggest party. |
| Date | 16:34:12, December 17, 2006 CET | From | Guds og Konges Kjemprene | To | Debating the Überalles I |
| Message | That's not what I ment with my latest statement. I ment, that it should be possible to have cabinets without either biggest party or head of state - party. |
| Date | 16:38:08, December 17, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Überalles I |
| Message | That is not true. Clearly the HoS is the most popular party on the ballot race, but if parties decide to endorse the same candidate, it is not necessary that he should be the biggest party. And if I decide to endorse someone, I accept to make a cabinet with him. |
| Date | 16:49:19, December 17, 2006 CET | From | Guds og Konges Kjemprene | To | Debating the Überalles I |
| Message | Apparently we have a misunderstanding here. I mean, that, if HoS and biggest party are not the same, it should be possible to have a cabinet without those two parties. E.g. if you have party a with 66 seats, party b with 44 seats and the HoS, party c with 55 seats, and party d with 56 seats, it should be possible for c and d to form a cabinet together. |
| Date | 17:16:58, December 17, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Überalles I |
| Message | And what I mean is that there is the endorsement mechanic that is a way to have HoS and biggest party divided. |
| Date | 17:24:02, December 17, 2006 CET | From | Guds og Konges Kjemprene | To | Debating the Überalles I |
| Message | Ok, but that's not an answer. I'm talking about a way to have neither HoS nor biggest party in the cabinet, which would be most democratic (the possibility). |
| Date | 11:47:18, December 18, 2006 CET | From | KSP - Kazulia Socialdemokratisk Parti | To | Debating the Überalles I |
| Message | If other parties make a coalition against the biggest one? |
| Date | 16:50:11, December 18, 2006 CET | From | Guds og Konges Kjemprene | To | Debating the Überalles I |
| Message | Yes. If they have enough votes to get this cabinet proposal through, it is. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 74 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 109 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Cabinet ministers who disagree seriously with the head of government would usually be expected to resign. Parties within the cabinet may attempt to manoeuvre to replace the head of government though, for example by proposing a new cabinet bill or voting for an early election. |
| Random quote: "Bigotry is the disease of ignorance, of morbid minds; enthusiasm of the free and buoyant. Education and free discussion are the antidotes of both." - Thomas Jefferson |