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Bill: Locally Defined Marriage Law
Details
Submitted by[?]: Kundrati Revolutionary Movement
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2037
Description[?]:
| To accurately reflect the diversity in our nation, we should allow local governments to decide what types of marriages they will allow - with the understanding that all levels of government in the country will recognize the legitimacy of all of those marriages. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy toward marriage.
Old value:: The government only recognises civil marriages between a man and a woman.
Current: The government allows all consenting adults to obtain civil marriage contracts.
Proposed: Civil marriages are defined by local governments.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | not recorded | From | Alderdath Lebrali Demkratti | To | Debating the Locally Defined Marriage Law |
| Message | we agree |
| Date | not recorded | From | To | Debating the Locally Defined Marriage Law |
| Message | Never. |
| Date | not recorded | From | To | Debating the Locally Defined Marriage Law |
| Message | We here at the C.F.P. cannot understand the purpose of this bill, according to Longman Dictionary of English Language and Culture marriage means ”the union of a man and a women by a legal ceremony”. What is there to define by the local governments? |
| Date | not recorded | From | To | Debating the Locally Defined Marriage Law |
| Message | Local governments shouldn't exist at all. |
| Date | not recorded | From | Kundrati Revolutionary Movement | To | Debating the Locally Defined Marriage Law |
| Message | That definition is not anthropologically accurate. The institution of marriage exists cross-culturally, and a definition of it must capture all of the variations. At its base, marriage must be defined as a publicly recognized social, economic, and sexual union of two or more persons. It probably also would include the concept of the 'legitimacy' of any children born within the marriage. But various cultural groups define their particular use of the institution in different ways; how many people can be involved, the use of bridewealth, marriage exchange between groups, strict monogamy vs serial monogamy, etc. Since there are differences of cultural opinion in our own culture (and because the game doesn't have an option for get the state out of the marriage business altogether), we figure it is best left to the particular communities themselves to decide which version of the institution of marriage they will preform. This allows for strict believers in the Bible to enforce the biblical commandment for a man to marry his dead brother's wife (levirate marriage) within their community, while not forcing it on anyone else. It also allows various communities to set their own standards for the placement of the incest taboo (second cousins? fourth cousins?), as well as the rules under which marriage can be entered in to: at what age can people get married, what will the terms be in case of divorce, are arranged marriages allowd, etc. There is a lot of detail to be worked out, and it is best left in the hands of the people themselves, with the government merely agreeing to recognize all of those variations as legitimate. |
| Date | not recorded | From | Kundrati Revolutionary Movement | To | Debating the Locally Defined Marriage Law |
| Message | ***Local governments shouldn't exist at all.*** So you keep saying. What we want to know is how you intend to have a nation of nearly 61 million people run entirely from the center? Stalin himself couldn't pull it off. |
| Date | not recorded | From | To | Debating the Locally Defined Marriage Law |
| Message | "What we want to know is how you intend to have a nation of nearly 61 million people run entirely from the center?" Can you say France?! Sure it’s not ruled entirely from the center( Corsica comes to mind) but their constitution says that France (I will translate this from what I remember) “is a national and undivided state”(the translation is not entirely accurate, I admit ). The idea is ,and I know this for sure, that there are no other ethnic groups other than the French officially . Also they don’t recognize the idea of local governments. PS: The E.U. is a different issue. |
| Date | not recorded | From | To | Debating the Locally Defined Marriage Law |
| Message | “That definition is not anthropologically accurate” Yes it is. The reason why marriage was created was to create a stable environment to procreate. You can have this by natural means if you have gay marriage. “This allows for strict believers in the Bible to enforce the biblical commandment for a man to marry his dead brother's wife (levirate marriage) within their community, while not forcing it on anyone else.” That is for me the argument that convinced me. I cannot prove historically that this is a Christian nation nor that the culture of it’s inhabitants is European/American etc. We, the C.F.P., would basically be enforcing our Christian beliefs on other pagan cultures. This is not our intent , we would like to Christianize them first.(but that is another discussion). So as strange as it may seem we will vote for this. |
| Date | not recorded | From | To | Debating the Locally Defined Marriage Law |
| Message | Unitarism is not a synonym for dictatorship, MfM. We want an efficient and small government on the national level. Federalism is the first step to separatism. |
| Date | not recorded | From | Kundrati Revolutionary Movement | To | Debating the Locally Defined Marriage Law |
| Message | But does the ideal of the National Union have a place for mayors and city councils and county forest preserve commissioners? |
| Date | not recorded | From | To | Debating the Locally Defined Marriage Law |
| Message | Of course. |
| Date | not recorded | From | To | Debating the Locally Defined Marriage Law |
| Message | Mayors and local responables are vital for every democracy, and are certainly not what we oppose. We oppose this dangerous federalism that leads our glorious Nation to a separatist death. |
| Date | not recorded | From | To | Debating the Locally Defined Marriage Law |
| Message | We at the Left Wing United like love, therefore we support this proposal. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 63 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Players should not role-play characters without the consent of the owner, and if they find they have role-played the character beyond what the owner intended, they should withdraw or amend the role-play appropriately. |
| Random quote: "The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it." - Adolf Hitler |