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Bill: Seniority Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Progressive Conservative Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2087
Description[?]:
| Regarding mandatory retirement. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:01:55, July 13, 2005 CET |
From | Progressive Conservative Party | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | Many people can function well after the age of 65, and we belive that these people will contribute greatly to the experience needed in Baltusia's economy. If the person is for medical reasons unable to function, than thay will be unable to work anyways. (We do assume that Baltusia is a healthy environment to work in). |
| Date | 13:15:08, July 13, 2005 CET |
From |  National Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | No. We have no right to force people to work for longer. Higher retirement ages are not a good thing. 65 is too high in any case. |
| Date | 14:42:01, July 13, 2005 CET |
From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | OOC: It is dependent on the life expectancy of the average Baltusian...ie if Baltusians live to 120, then the retirement age would need to be raised significantly. |
| Date | 17:06:44, July 13, 2005 CET |
From | National Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | OOC: yeeees, but shuld we not just use the current life expectancy for the 'west', just for convinency? |
| Date | 01:12:19, July 14, 2005 CET |
From | Hosengott Nationalists | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | OOC: well ya if your not pulling your wieght for society when you could be y should society pull its weight for u? |
| Date | 01:18:54, July 14, 2005 CET |
From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | OOC: Probably because you've been paying taxes for forty years and would like to spend the last few decades resting? And the West's life expectancy differs greatly. I was just pointing it out anyway. |
| Date | 04:11:55, July 14, 2005 CET |
From | Hosengott Nationalists | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | OOC: Ya but it would be greedy to think that your own personal rest is more important then funding for the government works and saying that the government works are unimportant would basically be putting no faith in your own party so meh i just believe that each must do their best until they cannot for the good of the people around them |
| Date | 14:57:13, July 14, 2005 CET |
From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | "i just believe that each must do their best until they cannot for the good of the people around them"
Otherwise known as retirement. |
| Date | 01:24:29, July 15, 2005 CET |
From | Hosengott Nationalists | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | yes but if we highten this age so that more people will be able to work longer they can still get off work earlyer if they are physically unable to |
| Date | 06:00:21, July 15, 2005 CET |
From | Progressive Conservative Party | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | "OOC: Probably because you've been paying taxes for forty years and would like to spend the last few decades resting? And the West's life expectancy differs greatly. I was just pointing it out anyway."
OOC: Personally, it would be pure boredom to be out of work with nothing, (save perhaps golf) to do. Would it not be preferable to work instead of just waiting for ones death? |
| Date | 15:09:14, July 15, 2005 CET |
From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | OOC: How old are you? I have a pretty good feeling that taking a holiday for the rest of your life at 65 will seem like a lot better an idea than working. I know *I'll* feel that way. Still doesn't mean that seniors aren't entitled to a little bit of financial relief after, as I said, paying taxes for so many years. |
| Date | 01:35:34, July 17, 2005 CET |
From | Progressive Conservative Party | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | We can always draft a resolution preventing any locking or lowering in response to this and any other pension/retirement bill. |
| Date | 04:31:06, July 19, 2005 CET |
From | Hosengott Nationalists | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | OOC: yes well some of us would gladly die for the pride of the nation we our born in through service in tax and work to it however others remain to be whiny liberals with little respect for the country that gives them home.(I love my non America country it are of teh greatest ^.^) |
| Date | 05:41:00, July 19, 2005 CET |
From | Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | OOC: In my experience, the whiniest people are conservatives who cannot stomach an alternate point of view. |
| Date | 06:54:48, July 19, 2005 CET |
From | Hosengott Nationalists | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | OOC: well if you live in america you have reasons to dislike conservatives however thats because the entire political system in america blow a large amount of hairy ass (sorry im just rascist =D) |
| Date | 07:41:15, July 19, 2005 CET |
From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | OOC: Thats the most astute observation the Hosengotts have made. And IMHO nationalism, along with any other serious delusion, is the root of many of the RW's problems. No doubt, it will also affect PT. |
| Date | 07:43:44, July 19, 2005 CET |
From | Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | OOC: I'm not American, although I am spending the summer here, with intent to emigrating. I'm British. The American political system is far superior to my own; in British 'democracy', only 1/2 of the legislature is elected, and the people can never choose the HoS. Also, the way Parliamentary governance works, it's winner takes all; the majority can be as tyrranous as they like, or, given the way our elections work, more often the minority. It took genius when creating the US political system to create a system of majority rule which simultaneously protected the rights of minorities. |
| Date | 17:00:41, July 19, 2005 CET |
From | Hosengott Nationalists | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | OOC: Ya but think about it youve got seriously screwed up hateful individuals like me or a bunch of Marxists who think we can live in peace and harmony either way hurts the country there must be both sides to help create a more proper equilibrium so that democracy is supported and i am more then happy to act the part of a crazy right winger <.< Since everyone hates them after 1942 however i suggest reading such books as mien kampf because there is some knowledge held within it |
| Date | 19:04:30, July 19, 2005 CET |
From | National Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | OOC: Cripes. Love the OOCness. Hoss...what's with the 'Proud to be screwed up' thing you've got going there?
I dunno...seems a bit....screwy. |
| Date | 23:21:39, July 19, 2005 CET |
From | Progressive Conservative Party | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | OOC: ISP lol
DS: the American system gives far too much power to the individual states - generation much unnecessay conflict betweed the federal/state gov'ts
ANYWAY: can we stop debating ideologies and get back to the bill at hand? |
| Date | 23:37:52, July 19, 2005 CET |
From | Progressive Conservative Party | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | What do you think of the resolution idea?
resolution preventing any locking or lowering in response to this and any other pension/retirement bill. |
| Date | 04:12:57, July 20, 2005 CET |
From | Family First Party | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | Can anyone provide credible statistics of the current average age expectancy for a nation (real or in game) similar to Baltusia? |
| Date | 05:04:14, July 20, 2005 CET |
From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | There are age breakdowns on each of the region pages.
WIthout numbers its a little hard to tell but it appears that there are more under 10s than over 70s. Not that that means much. |
| Date | 05:28:02, July 21, 2005 CET |
From | Progressive Conservative Party | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | LLP have you studied Population Dynamics yet?
We are in a early expansion period. This means that our death (mortality) rate is high and increases as one gets older(in our case quite steeply) and our birth rate in compensation is also very high.
Typically in the RW this means we are a 3rd world equivalent country.
Its called a Population Pyramid and each section is a cohort. |
| Date | 07:54:27, July 21, 2005 CET |
From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | Riiiight....so if we're a third world country, that would explain our Gini coefficients. We're on par with Hungary. |
| Date | 11:42:53, July 21, 2005 CET |
From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | ^^^OOC: That was a no I have not studied population dynamics. Nor will I think. My field of learning is engineering. |
| Date | 23:44:55, July 24, 2005 CET |
From | Hosengott Nationalists | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | This bill has been cluttering up the discussion portion of the page for to long PCP we feel that ample enough discussion has been done please have something done with this. |
| Date | 08:26:09, July 27, 2005 CET |
From | Hosengott Nationalists | To | Debating the Seniority Act | | Message | then send it now no need for dallying i have to check enough of these debates a couple times a day at least let me keep some of my patientce(the little that there is of it) |
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