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Bill: Higher Education Act.
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal-Progressive Union
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2082
Description[?]:
| 1)Allows for certain private colleges. These colleges are for students who have certain disablities that prevent them from receiving a university education. These disablilites include, but are not limited to schools for the blind, deaf, handicapped, the severly learning disabled, and students with severe behavorial issues. 2) Allows for a limited number of religious colleges for students who a going into the profession of clergy or other religious professions. 3) This bill does not bind these special need students to private colleges, they may still attend public colleges if they choose. 4) This bill allows for the creation of charter schools to set up universities. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The regulation of higher education.
Old value:: The government does not allow private higher education institutions.
Current: The government allows private higher education but regulates it to meet nationally set standards.
Proposed: The government allows private higher education but regulates it to meet nationally set standards.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:50:01, July 14, 2005 CET | From |   Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | This bill allows for all citizens to receive an adequate university education. This will allow students with certain disablities to choose to attend a college that can better meet their needs. I hope other parties find this bill to be fair and to be more inclusive for students in Hobrazia's higher educationial system. |
| Date | 12:06:27, July 14, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | Why can't the government run their own colleges to handle those pupils? Where does the current law prevent religious groups from training people to go into religious professions? This bill aims to solve non-existant problems. |
| Date | 12:16:02, July 14, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | Whats wrong with private schools that are financed from private donations that deal specifically with these disabilities? The public system cannot handle all of the cases that arise with disabilities. As of now there are no religious colleges so hence no laws to prevent them. |
| Date | 12:34:43, July 14, 2005 CET | From | United Socialist Movement | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | It has been said already that Hobrazian education is excellent: so surely we can give disabled and special needs children the same high quality of education in state run special schools? We will reject this: it seems to us like a way to introduce privatisation through the back door. |
| Date | 12:39:53, July 14, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | These Private Higher Education facilities are unneccessary as all can be dealt within the current public system (especially those with disabilities). We would also like to point out that currently the law on higher educational funding states that "The government fully subsidizes tuition." If we allow Private Institutions the Government starts paying the tuition to Private Institutions, something which is often much more expensive yet provides just as good a quality of education as the current public institutions. As the UB says, "This bill aims to solve non-existant problems." |
| Date | 13:30:44, July 14, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | "Whats wrong with private schools that are financed from private donations" - I don't believe there is a law that stops people donating to schools/colleges if they wish to. |
| Date | 13:32:36, July 14, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | This does not privatise the school system. It give students who normally would have a difficult time adjusting to university life due to their disability a better chance to succeed. These schools will have the trained staff to help these students that public schools lack. If a blind student can recieve a better education by choosing to attend a college for the blind that has the needs of that student a priority, then wht deny that student this oppurturrunity. We have private institutiuons in place for every other level of education but you oppose private university's that are designed to meet needs that public schools cannot. Show some consistency in your voting, and I amazed that there is this much opposition to a bill that is inclusive rather than exclusive for Hobrazian citizens. |
| Date | 14:06:24, July 14, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | How about we just set up a special series of universities for the disabled? "Show some consistency in your voting" - I'm not the only one. See the WSS's latest bill wich contradicts an earlier one which they voted no to. Every party is likely to do this and I am being consistent with my vote to bring the current situation into place. |
| Date | 14:09:16, July 14, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | Also, what private university would be willing to take in children with behavioural problems? |
| Date | 14:09:54, July 14, 2005 CET | From | United Socialist Movement | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | "This does not privatise the school system." Because adding private colleges wouldn't be privatising the school system, would it? I propose that the state looks after this important aspect rather than others running for profit. |
| Date | 14:30:34, July 14, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | "How about we just set up a special series of universities for the disabled" Tha's partly what this bill is striving for. The public system may not be entirely adequate to handle disabled and special need students. And if these schools were financed by private charitible groups they would not be in it for profit. |
| Date | 14:47:49, July 14, 2005 CET | From | United Socialist Movement | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | I'm sorry, but we are firmly against private schooling and must vote as such. |
| Date | 15:16:49, July 14, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | How about using charter schools to do that? They would fit in - non-profit, government funded and for specific focuses only. It would be best, therefore, just to extend that bill and specifically state that they are also allowed to set up universities. |
| Date | 16:40:06, July 14, 2005 CET | From | Right Party | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | .As long as private schools are required to meet standards and are regulated, they should be allowed. |
| Date | 17:03:30, July 14, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | "See the WSS's latest bill wich contradicts an earlier one which they voted no to." - Actually, the last bill with this chioce on was set by the now defunct Socialist Party and we voted yes to it. We see no requirement for this bill. The Public system is perfectly adequate at providing these needs, and we will not finance Private Institutions with Government sponsored tuition, something which does not happen at any other level of education. |
| Date | 22:52:15, July 14, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | I was refering to the home schooling one but I'm also flip-flopping on it so... |
| Date | 01:56:57, July 15, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | So was I. |
| Date | 15:18:37, July 15, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | I added the charter school provision which I believe already passed as a law. This bill just extends the law to universities. |
| Date | 17:25:13, July 15, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | My point was that the mentioned ideas should be done by charter schools rather than truely private universities. |
| Date | 17:31:43, July 16, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Liberal Party | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | As seems to be becoming a regular occurence, we agree with the USM on this one. There is simply no need to dilute the national education system with private universities. |
| Date | 03:17:54, July 17, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | How will allowing a small number of private colleges dilute the system? This is no way effects the public system it just allows for more options for students, instead of the totalitarian way of allowing only state schools, which by no coincidence is the only way to recieve an education. There at state schools the students can watch government propoganda on state owned television and listen about how great the leadership is on state run radio. I apologize for the rant but I feel we are teetering on becoming an authoritarian state with limited options for our citizens. The Right Party seems to be the only party aware of this, and I thank them for their support on this bill. |
| Date | 12:42:35, July 17, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | Yes, that totalitarian country with with competing media companies which isn't allowed to be operated or interferred with directly by government...we would also point out that we don't allow only State schools. Also, all Government employees are politically independent. Please, this Country is not totalitarian, and we have worked hard to keep it that way. Allowing Private Universities (not schools, please note the difference. One teaches pupils up to the age of 18. The other teaches degree level and higher courses to students of ages 18 plus) would not improve choice, why should it? As long as those State Universities provide differing courses and modules there is no concern of lack of choice, or poor educational standards. We quote: "Universities will be required to provide multiple courses in differing subject matters, however they will be able to specialise in areas that they decide they can provide the best education in (e.g. Humanities, Sciences, etc)." Does this sound like an educational system without choice? Also, why should the Government pay for Private University tuition? We don't pay for Private school tuition, why should Universities be any different? |
| Date | 13:13:09, July 17, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | The government wouldn't subsidize tuition, that's why the schools are private. We allow private schools at every level except for higher education, why is that? These schools are financed by private funds to serve a specific school, with students with specific needs. What you are generally voting against is a private donar setting up a private school for deaf students, or handicapped students, who have a difficult time adjusting to public universities. Why deny them the option of a better education that a public university may not be able to provide. Telling students where they must attend school even though it is against their overall well being is and I'm sorry to say "totalitarianism". |
| Date | 14:03:02, July 17, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | The Government would subsidise their tuition, please check our laws. Quote: "The government fully subsidizes tuition." Please, tell me where in that it states that we wouldn't subsidise tuition? We don't deny disabled or handicapped children anything. Public Universities are designed to cope with, and provide for, disabled students, at what point do they lose out? And we don't tell students where they must attend school, or University. They have a choice of schools or Universities to choose from. You have a strange idea of totalitarianism. "Totalitarianism - of or relating to a system of Government by a single party which allows no opposition and which demands complete obedience to the State". |
| Date | 15:18:41, July 18, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | I apologize for my uncalled for totalitarianism rants. I mean no disrepect towards any of the parties,the WSSP in particular , I just felt strongly about my bills that I think will benefit our nation. |
| Date | 15:22:02, July 18, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | Apology accepted. These can be heated debates, but we at no point would ever mean to directly insult any other party (or individual) either. |
| Date | 15:31:18, July 18, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Higher Education Act. |
| Message | Thanks for your understanding and I promise to refrain from further acts in the future. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 134 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 174 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 35 |
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