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Bill: Alcohol Sales Regulation
Details
Submitted by[?]: Beluzian Labor Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2084
Description[?]:
| We propose that the sale of alcohol to minors be prohibited, and that the sale of alcoholic beverages be restricted to licensed premises. Businesses may apply for a license to sell alcohol from their provincial government, which shall hold the responsibility to regulate liquor licensing in their own jurisdiction. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards alcoholic beverages.
Old value:: Alcoholic beverage regulations are not imposed by the government.
Current: Alcoholic beverages may be purchased only from licensed sales outlets, and can only be available to adults.
Proposed: Alcoholic beverages may be purchased only from licensed sales outlets, and can only be available to adults.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 10:34:45, July 19, 2005 CET | From | Social-Liberal Party | To | Debating the Alcohol Sales Regulation |
| Message | We oppose this bill, as it will be bad for business and restricive of civil freedoms. Prohibition has proven to be an ineffective policy, and we oppose any tendency towards it. The Beluzian Republic has a proud history of Freedom in this policy-area and we would like to keep it that way. Free your mind, free your body! |
| Date | 10:35:05, July 19, 2005 CET | From | Social-Liberal Party | To | Debating the Alcohol Sales Regulation |
| Message | We oppose this bill, as it will be bad for business and restricive of civil freedoms. Prohibition has proven to be an ineffective policy, and we oppose any tendency towards it. The Beluzian Republic has a proud history of Freedom in this policy-area and we would like to keep it that way. Free your mind, free your body! |
| Date | 10:38:30, July 19, 2005 CET | From | Beluzian Labor Party | To | Debating the Alcohol Sales Regulation |
| Message | It is inconsistent to restrict smoking, recreational drugs, and other harmful substances, but not to restrict the sale of alcohol. It is irresponsible to allow minors to purchase alcohol. Only adults should be able to purchase alcohol, and only licensed businesses can be trusted to ensure that alcohol is only sold to adults. |
| Date | 10:40:42, July 19, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Alcohol Sales Regulation |
| Message | No its not because alcohol has one pro that the others don't, which is that the others are always bad for you but alcohol in moderation is either of no benefit or some benefit. |
| Date | 11:08:21, July 19, 2005 CET | From | Free Beluzians | To | Debating the Alcohol Sales Regulation |
| Message | Studies have shown that by not making an item 'taboo', it decreases the glory associated with it. The Free Beluzian Party does have a mixed feeling towards alchohal, and until we can firmly come into agreement within the party about our stance, we will vote to keep the current system in place/. |
| Date | 11:42:38, July 19, 2005 CET | From | Beluzian Labor Party | To | Debating the Alcohol Sales Regulation |
| Message | We agree that alcohol doesn't have as severe a downside as tobacco or recreational drugs, but we ask both the PAL and the Free Beluzian Party to consider whether they support children buying and consuming alcohol. Surely, it is inappropriate for a child to consume alcohol, which has a far worse effect on an undeveloped anatomy than an adult one. Children can sustain severe liver damage by consuming alcohol in a quantity which wouldn't be particularly dangerous for an adult. We ask the Partisans and Artisans League to consider that even if it isn't inconsistent for the Government to restrict cigarette sales but not alcohol, it isn't a desirable state of affairs to have Beluzia's children drunk on the streets! The concern about making alcohol a taboo item is a legitimate one, however, the health effects on a minor of the sort of age prone to wanting to do taboo things as part of teenage rebellion are considerably less than the health effects on much younger children. Right now, a twelve year old somewhere in Beluzia is buying alcohol. Right now in Beluzia, an eight year old is drinking vodka, straight. These are the minors whose safety we should have in mind when considering the restriction of alcohol sales, not teenagers who are almost legally adults anyway, who might want to drink alcohol more because it is taboo. While we recognise the Free Beluzian Party's concerns, Labor is much more concerned about the health of Beluzia's youngest and most vulnerable children. |
| Date | 02:21:59, July 20, 2005 CET | From | Free Beluzians | To | Debating the Alcohol Sales Regulation |
| Message | My question is, where is that 8 year old child's parents. The Free Beluzian Party is still split down into several segements on this subject, and as per past precedent, will not proceed until the majority of our members - a 5/6ths majority - can decide on a single course of action. Until then, we cannot support any changes in the alchohal law. |
| Date | 13:34:33, July 20, 2005 CET | From | Beluzian Labor Party | To | Debating the Alcohol Sales Regulation |
| Message | A 5/6ths majority? In that case the FBP must be totally paralysed, unable to make a single decision. As for the question of the 8 year old child's parents, that's just a neat way to dodge the problem altogether. It is perfectly legal for a child in Beluzia today to purchase alcohol. That's just not an acceptable state of affairs. |
| Date | 16:26:59, July 20, 2005 CET | From | Free Beluzians | To | Debating the Alcohol Sales Regulation |
| Message | 1. We're actually able to compromise. It works out in the end. 2. Its not a neat way to dodge the problem all together. Where are that child's parents, and do they know the kid is drinking? |
| Date | 17:02:29, July 20, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Alcohol Sales Regulation |
| Message | Never! We must drive out this political intolerance! If we do not let children drink from a young age they might not drink in their teens forcing us into an unthinkable situation. We would be left without the subhuman race of alcoholic, rowdy teenagers. In the slang language of the Scots they are called the "ned" and the English call them "chavs" but all over the world they are the same. If we remove them who do we have left to poke fun at? We no longer have any to feel morally superior to (apart from pinko-commies). We will descend into a pit of self-degredation when we come to accept that we are not 'above' this section of society. We were used to being the omnipresent voice of reason in a chaotic society but now what? We might actually have to 'listen' and 'respect' others (I know the meanings of these words may be difficult for you to grasp, I do found them an anomaly until I unearthed an ancient dictionary written before the advent of such delights as WKD and Bucky). |
| Date | 01:45:10, July 21, 2005 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Alcohol Sales Regulation |
| Message | Hoorah! (@ PAL) |
| Date | 01:47:08, July 21, 2005 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Alcohol Sales Regulation |
| Message | The People have always, and will always violently oppose such an indignity, and encourage the Peoples Youth Squad to set fire to any shops alleged to have enacted such a shameful discrimination. Peoples Youth Unite! |
| Date | 12:20:14, July 21, 2005 CET | From | Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Alcohol Sales Regulation |
| Message | To respond to the FBP, said child could be out with their friends go into a shop and buy the alcohol; their is no need for parental supervision as the current law specifies that all may buy alcohol. The childs' parents may be sitting at home and have no knowledge of what said child is doing with their friends. |
| Date | 10:21:34, July 22, 2005 CET | From | Beluzian Labor Party | To | Debating the Alcohol Sales Regulation |
| Message | Now that we have seen how the new parliament looks, Labor looks to other responsible political parties to join us in opposing alcoholism in our children! If parties are planning to vote against this legislation as it stands, but would be willing to vote in favour of amended legislation, please propose your amendments now. The bill will be put before the parliament as is if not. |
| Date | 16:40:06, July 22, 2005 CET | From | Free Beluzians | To | Debating the Alcohol Sales Regulation |
| Message | ((Lets see. I'm going to flip a coin. Heads, for, tails, against)) The FBP has come to a decision: We will support this bill. |
| Date | 08:18:25, July 23, 2005 CET | From | Beluzian Labor Party | To | Debating the Alcohol Sales Regulation |
| Message | OOC: I swear that I have had to vote several times on some of these bills. I know for a fact that I voted on this bill after I put it to vote last night, and yet my vote had been lost when I logged in again. IC: Labor calls on the Catholic Workers Movement to join with it in solidary with the welfare of Beluzia's children, and of Beluzia's poorest communities which are most affected by the scourge of alcoholism, and to vote yes in favour of the bill. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 140 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 116 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 44 |
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