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Bill: Prayer bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2364
Description[?]:
| In order to better reflect Beluzias' stance as a secular nation we propose that teachers may not lead prayers within schools, (this does not prevent pupils from praying on their own if they should wish), except in the case of religious schools for obvious reasons; due to the fact these schools have been built on the principles of their chosen religion. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers in schools are encouraged.
Current: The government leaves this decision up to the schools themselves.
Proposed: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden, except in religious schools.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:51:09, February 07, 2007 CET | From | Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Prayer bill |
| Message | OOC: For the first time in a year the NMrP has posted a bill. *looks shocked* |
| Date | 19:54:17, February 07, 2007 CET | From | Social Liberal Party | To | Debating the Prayer bill |
| Message | Finally a bill i want to vote yes for. Way to go NMRP. |
| Date | 21:26:59, February 07, 2007 CET | From | National Conservative Party | To | Debating the Prayer bill |
| Message | What a surprize, the foreign heretics want to destroy yet an other thing dear to Beluzians, religion. If you don't like our traditions, then return to your country. BELUZIA FOR BELUZIANS! VOTE NO! |
| Date | 00:31:53, February 08, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Prayer bill |
| Message | Hoorah! God Bless Beluzia! Strike a blow against godlessness! Defend Beluzian children against foriegn devil worship! |
| Date | 14:13:11, February 08, 2007 CET | From | Social Liberal Party | To | Debating the Prayer bill |
| Message | OCC. When i first joined i thought that you guys were CPU and United Kingdom of Beluzia and Bailon was a rip off of the U.K. ,so i just put my name as a Scotland party but i'll take it out to be more at home and....GOD ISN'T REAL!!! :D (By the way, when you guys are talking about God and the devil and stuff, is it the christian God?) |
| Date | 15:03:33, February 08, 2007 CET | From | Metal Militia | To | Debating the Prayer bill |
| Message | All schools should be privatised and the owner should have right to decide in such cases |
| Date | 17:04:29, February 08, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Prayer bill |
| Message | ooc: For a long time the majority of players here seemed to be from the UK. One of our longer lasting and more influential parties (Partisans and Artisans League) was played by a scot, and The Neo-Marxist revolutionary party is played by an english girl (I believe!). Also, those of us on the Far-Right are inclined to monarchy and such, as could be found in merry Olde England. My Party in particular has a theme of Restoring Laird Zog to his Rightful throne. IRL, saying "God isn't real" is another way of saying "I am aggressively ignorant". In this game, it is a way of saying "Kill me", since The People's Populist Party hates nothing more than godlessness, and specializes in vulgar displays of power and shocking outrages against the human dignity of thought criminals. I would be willing to discuss religious views with you, if you would like to send me an email address or instant message contact info. I don't think this game is the right place for such divisive real life debates, however. Suffice to say that I have a close and personal relationship with God, and even if every evidence from all of history, and all the sources I respect, and every piece of sensory data evidenced by Natural Law contradicted the possibility of God, I would still know him, and have Absolute Knowledge of his love. Fortunately the contrary is true, and only pseudo-skeptics who ignore all evidence and reject the very basis of science claim to "know" God does not exist. Every culture in every place and every time has known God. It takes post-modernist metal gymnastics and the rejection of all value, truth, and meaning in order to maintain a view so in conflict with logic and reason. The Path to God is love, while the rejection of God (brutal, unquestioning nihilism) leads only to greater and greater levels of suffering. |
| Date | 18:10:34, February 08, 2007 CET | From | Social Liberal Party | To | Debating the Prayer bill |
| Message | OCC. Well i like the monarchy too, aslong as democracy is kept (much like the U.K.) and as for the God isn't real thing, if it were real life you would have got from my tone that it's a passing jab. I don't really want to get into a religious debate, you believe in it, thats fine with me, i believe in respecting everyones religious beliefs but letting everyone choose for their own. That's why i think religion and state should be seperate but state should not supress any religion. |
| Date | 18:16:38, February 08, 2007 CET | From | Social Liberal Party | To | Debating the Prayer bill |
| Message | i keep typing OCC, i mean OOC lol |
| Date | 19:03:15, February 08, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Prayer bill |
| Message | ooc: thats fine, I think many agree w you (including the American founding fathers who I deeply respect). In this game my Party often invokes religious rhetoric. We call our religion the "First Church of Zog", but it isn't really supposed to be any real life church per se, christian or otherwise. Instead it is a general way of life, which respects the unborn, but disrespects secular huamnists, human rights, and foriegners ;) |
| Date | 19:13:12, February 08, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Prayer bill |
| Message | See my party description: http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewparty.php?partyid=112 or historical bills: http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewpartybills.php?partyid=112 for more info on The People's Populist Opinions. |
| Date | 00:19:13, February 09, 2007 CET | From | Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Prayer bill |
| Message | Intriguing, the Panterran Bloc clearly does not understand Beluzian History. The Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party in its united state has been in existance since when we first became united under our beloved leader Nerdanel Istarnie back in 2036 entering our first elections in 2039 not long after our dear Republic lost the province of Dazlon to Ikradon (although we did gain the province of Iker Ado at that same time) and though our dear leader did not see us through to our next election, Amber Nerdanel became leader and that was the golden years of our Party. Ms.Nerdanel held the position as President as the Republic at least ten times and was well respected upon the international stage, unafraid to stand up to Parliament and acting as speaker for the house she would call for order and everyone would be quiet. Be they of Beluzia or not, as was the case when delegates of the Republic of Rutania and members of the Beluzian Parliament erupted into a quarrel of words. Our Party is most certainly not "foreign" and have been active in Beluzian politics in one form another since before the Panterran Bloc was ever a glimmer in its founders eye. Moreover, the majority of this country's populace (OOC: as can be seen on the country page) are of secular belief and therefore this bill is created to represent the majority opinion. Furthermore this bill does not prevent prayer within schools, pupils and staff may pray seperately, nor does it prevent religious schools from having teacher-led prayer. |
| Date | 00:23:29, February 09, 2007 CET | From | Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Prayer bill |
| Message | OOC: *waves* Yep definitely English and definitely of the female variety. ;) (Otherwise I've got lumps in the wrong places.....). The country used to be the "Beluzian Republic" I disappeared on a uni course for a month last summer and they changed the place into a Kingdom. >.< We also used to have a Parliament instead of a Duma. Although the historian in me favours the title Witangemot. ;-p Oh the temptation to suggest it... :-D |
| Date | 01:36:27, February 09, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Prayer bill |
| Message | ooc: I am pretty open-minded about substantive changes. I have to be, my goal of restoring Zog to the throne is near impossible without SOME compromise ;) |
| Date | 01:45:45, February 09, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Prayer bill |
| Message | Communistic elements within the pollsters union have been suspected of manipulating those numbers! Furthermore, the Secular "majority" consists only of those few dissidents who fail to respect Beluzian tradition! Why, in my day, in the jungles of Outermost Bailon, anyone even suspected of insulting God and country would be slung from the nearest tree! We had moral fiber in those days, something you godless lot seem to be deficient in! Perhaps a dose of castor oil is what your souless vessel craves! Surely only a foriegn betrayer of the foulest sort would attempt to stifle the prayers of of Beluzia's younglings! The People are called upon to struggle against the Foriegn menace, be they worshipping devils within secular public classrooms, or conspiraing to Betray the motherland in opposition party meetings! |
| Date | 18:40:27, February 10, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Prayer bill |
| Message | Beluzia is no secular nation! |
| Date | 18:01:52, February 13, 2007 CET | From | Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Prayer bill |
| Message | The NMrP is most interested in how the PPP has gained knowledge of these supposed manipulations, if they do so exist, and surely if it is a Communistic element within Beluzian society that is doing this, we wonder why they need to resort to such acts. Especially since if such an element exists within society it seems unusual that they have no spokesman within our Parliament. |
| Date | 19:33:18, February 13, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Prayer bill |
| Message | The spokesmen of the Foreign Menace are well known for their agitations against Zogist policy and Opposition to Traditional Beluzian Values. Whither they whisper their lies on street corners or within the caverns of their forgotten meeting houses, The People's Youth Stand Ready to correct them! Never again shall the atheistic lies of secular humanism be preached to our younglings by the shrill prophets of foreign devils! Never again shall we allow the abuses of godless classrooms and the torments of discipline-free schoolhouses! The Iron Fist Of Zog shall reign supreme! Report all dissidents immediately via your ever present government issued personalized cellphone. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 156 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 155 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 439 |
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