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Bill: The Public Opinion Poll-based Bill (II)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Chinkopodian Economic Democrats
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2089
Description[?]:
| Yet another bill based on public opinion polls to further the democratic workings of this government. August 2087 Opinion Poll An opinion poll was held among the citizens of the Most Serene Republic of Darnussia. The subject of the opinion poll was The citizens' right to assemble in public. When asked what their opinions were, the following choices were made:Percentage Choice 24.48% There are no restrictions on the right of citizens to assemble in groups. 17.91% The police may disperse a group if they believe it poses a potential risk to public safety. 57.61% The police may disperse a group without giving any reason. As you can see, another overwhelming majority appeared in favour of the latter option. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The citizens' right to assemble in public.
Old value:: The police may disperse a group if they believe it poses a potential risk to public safety.
Current: The police may disperse a group without giving any reason.
Proposed: The police may disperse a group without giving any reason.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 14:14:19, July 31, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the The Public Opinion Poll-based Bill (II) |
| Message | Too Authouritirian. |
| Date | 14:19:16, July 31, 2005 CET | From | Chinkopodian Economic Democrats | To | Debating the The Public Opinion Poll-based Bill (II) |
| Message | Well that's obvious. |
| Date | 14:41:00, July 31, 2005 CET | From | Chinkopodian Economic Democrats | To | Debating the The Public Opinion Poll-based Bill (II) |
| Message | Well that's obvious. |
| Date | 14:41:19, July 31, 2005 CET | From | Chinkopodian Economic Democrats | To | Debating the The Public Opinion Poll-based Bill (II) |
| Message | Eh? Why has this double posted? |
| Date | 17:32:19, July 31, 2005 CET | From | Progressive Democratic Alliance | To | Debating the The Public Opinion Poll-based Bill (II) |
| Message | Yes, the MAJORITY are in favour of such a law. We must, though, preserve the civil rights of our people so that they may assemble in peace as it is a basic human right. Even though the majority wants the contrary, we shouldn't enforce it on the minority or reduce the amount of rights and freedoms our people have. |
| Date | 20:01:33, July 31, 2005 CET | From | Chinkopodian Economic Democrats | To | Debating the The Public Opinion Poll-based Bill (II) |
| Message | Even if most of them want their civil rights to be restricted? (in fact, on the opinion bars, the citizens of darnussia ARE in favour of having restrictive civil rights). As for the other point, let me give an example. Say that we are in a state of war with another nation. Say the majority of people want peace, and there is no reason to continue warring, should we carry on fighting because of the scant, xenophobic minority who would like very much to continue with warfare? I think not. Yet what you are saying is effiectively that we should place tenets that we, as party leaders, hold dear rather than citizens of the nation we're supposed to be governing upon Darnussia, and then refuse to acknoweldge the public's support for a change in the law unless the whole nation is in unanimous agreement. |
| Date | 20:16:27, July 31, 2005 CET | From | People's Progressive Party | To | Debating the The Public Opinion Poll-based Bill (II) |
| Message | Dont turn too populist and lose your ideology, or we'll just have to rename you New Labour. |
| Date | 05:50:58, August 01, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the The Public Opinion Poll-based Bill (II) |
| Message | Well if they want it... |
| Date | 12:02:02, August 01, 2005 CET | From | Chinkopodian Economic Democrats | To | Debating the The Public Opinion Poll-based Bill (II) |
| Message | LOL. Don't worry, my ideology still remains above my populist stance. :) |
| Date | 15:14:39, August 01, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the The Public Opinion Poll-based Bill (II) |
| Message | We must protect the people and there civil liberties above all else, even if they don't want it, we must do what is best in the long run. |
| Date | 18:18:09, August 01, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the The Public Opinion Poll-based Bill (II) |
| Message | Nay, we're elected to represent the people. If the people wanted every Friday to be "Sex Day," then we'll damn well do it. |
| Date | 19:30:29, August 01, 2005 CET | From | Chinkopodian Economic Democrats | To | Debating the The Public Opinion Poll-based Bill (II) |
| Message | Couldn't have put it better myself. :) Unless the people want us to do something which is disastrous in anyone's books, such as kill everyone else, then of course it should not be introduced. However, the aspect of civil liberties is relative, and whether or not it is something that should be protected above all else is debateable. [and going by your last comment, this bill could possibly be the best bet in the long run anyway....who knows what it could prevent?] |
| Date | 19:31:17, August 01, 2005 CET | From | Chinkopodian Economic Democrats | To | Debating the The Public Opinion Poll-based Bill (II) |
| Message | "[and going by your last comment, this bill could possibly be the best bet in the long run anyway....who knows what it could prevent?]" is aimed at SDP..... :p |
| Date | 21:05:45, August 01, 2005 CET | From | Social Libertarian party | To | Debating the The Public Opinion Poll-based Bill (II) |
| Message | can I get a "Fuck that"? |
| Date | 21:14:32, August 01, 2005 CET | From | Chinkopodian Economic Democrats | To | Debating the The Public Opinion Poll-based Bill (II) |
| Message | That's really not a very nice thing to say. I'm going to go off and live in a cave as a hermit crab now. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 193 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 337 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 220 |
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