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Bill: Stand Strong!
Details
Submitted by[?]: People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2408
Description[?]:
| Beluzian's must stand strong against the foriegn menace and train him to our will! Only by taming the foe within our own hearts can we hope to tame our neighbors! Drilling day and night in their armoured bunker warrens, the People's deadly shirt ninja's are ready to practice their subtle arts. The Peoples research and development labs have been working together with our contacts in the Beluzian bureau of criminal justice to develop strange new methods for re-educating prisoners into obediance to our overlords. Traitor redemption serum and knockout-gas are our weapons! We will gather Rutanians from within Beluzia as well as neighboring Delvar, and sell them to the highest bidder! Fame and fortune our ours for the taking, fellow Beluzians! All Hail Laird Zog! All Hail to Victory! |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning biological and chemical weaponry.
Old value:: The nation shall never purchase, produce, or store biological or chemical weaponry, for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Current: The nation shall never purchase, produce, or store biological or chemical weaponry, for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to develop, construct and store biological and chemical weapons.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of chemical and biological weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weaponry in warfare.
Current: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weaponry in warfare.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to use chemical or biological weapons in warfare for any reason.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Current: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Proposed: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve a term in the military.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding the treatment of prisoners of war.
Old value:: Prisoners of war must be treated well, according to internationally-accepted standards.
Current: Prisoners of war must be treated well, according to internationally-accepted standards.
Proposed: Prisoners of war are enslaved.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The legality of slavery.
Old value:: Slavery and the slave trade are illegal.
Current: Slavery and the slave trade are illegal.
Proposed: Slavery and the slave trade is allowed.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Current: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Proposed: There is an official state religion, and membership is mandatory.
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change Women in the military.
Old value:: Women serve alongside men.
Current: Women serve alongside men.
Proposed: Women can only serve in non-battle positions.
Article 8
Proposal[?] to change Women's working rights.
Old value:: Women are entitled the same working rights as men.
Current: Women are entitled the same working rights as men.
Proposed: Women are not allowed to perform potentially dangerous tasks.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:14:13, May 18, 2007 CET | From | Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Stand Strong! |
| Message | im not sure i can vote yes, simply because the issues of warfare are seperate to religion. my thoughts are: YES YES NO |
| Date | 20:20:45, May 18, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Stand Strong! |
| Message | The idea is non-lethal weapons combined with multi-media propaganda delivery systems and traitor redemption serum for a rapid re-education process! All of this can now be done in under an hour on the battlefield within one of the People's Re-education wagons! |
| Date | 20:21:42, May 18, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Stand Strong! |
| Message | Traitor's beware, The Peoples Youth have got a tazerbaton with your name on it! |
| Date | 20:22:16, May 18, 2007 CET | From | Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Stand Strong! |
| Message | i see... well i'l vote yes, i wish to retain the relative sympathy between our parties. :) |
| Date | 20:28:46, May 18, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Stand Strong! |
| Message | ooc: This bill isn't done yet, by the end of it I think you'll have ahell of a time convincing yourself to support ;) It intends to restore slavery for one thing... You haven't got any votes, and you don't need to support me on this one for in particular. If you want to me to help you out w votes, or put you in my cabinets, all you have to do is support me when it counts, on my core issues. Overwhelmingly and above all, the theme of my party is restoring Zog to the throne. In short, feel free to oppose this, or any other bill. If it's really important, I'll let you know by PM ;) |
| Date | 20:29:51, May 18, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Stand Strong! |
| Message | ooc: p.s., what are your core issues? What would you REALLY like to see happen? If we can figure out what matters, we can find out how to get it done. |
| Date | 20:33:24, May 18, 2007 CET | From | Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Stand Strong! |
| Message | Well i have tp say that i can pass it as it is now. i cannot support any form of slavery however... I wholeheartedly support any move to reinforce the power of the Monarchy!! I know i have no votes, but i guess the principle of supporting an Item of Legislation will give the voters an idea of what my party is about, whether my vote counts or not. |
| Date | 20:35:03, May 18, 2007 CET | From | Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Stand Strong! |
| Message | My party would like to see a continental dominance. Our country should be a powerful nation. I believe the way to achieve this is through a strong economy and excessive foreign policy. :) |
| Date | 20:40:07, May 18, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Stand Strong! |
| Message | The PPP agrees w you 100% on your core mission then. We seem to disagree on social liberalism. I am liberal where you are conservative (like on slavery or drug smuggling), where you are liberal where I am not (women working, integrated schools and etc...) Where do you stand on abortion? |
| Date | 20:41:23, May 18, 2007 CET | From | Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Stand Strong! |
| Message | abortion should be illegal unless it endangers life |
| Date | 20:42:17, May 18, 2007 CET | From | Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Stand Strong! |
| Message | abortion should be illegal unless it endangers life |
| Date | 12:13:37, May 19, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Stand Strong! |
| Message | Hurrah! |
| Date | 15:04:37, May 19, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Stand Strong! |
| Message | ooc: are your party positions the same as your real life opinions? This question is for everybody. The PPP is a twisted and exaggerated version of some of my views, along with what seemed both good role playing and likely to please "the voters". |
| Date | 19:34:42, May 19, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the Stand Strong! |
| Message | ooc: I believe pretty much the same way as I vote in the game. Access to a safe, legally-performed abortion is a right that should be accorded to all women, in my opinion. |
| Date | 20:33:43, May 19, 2007 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the Stand Strong! |
| Message | I use my Views... |
| Date | 20:35:53, May 19, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Stand Strong! |
| Message | and your feelings on this bill? |
| Date | 05:27:07, May 20, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the Stand Strong! |
| Message | No to slavery and state religion. Chemical and biological weaponry are unnecessary with our nuclear deterrent in place. |
| Date | 10:54:24, May 20, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Stand Strong! |
| Message | I know you oppose, I was asking the Whig party ;) |
| Date | 18:58:55, May 20, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the Stand Strong! |
| Message | Sorry |
| Date | 22:09:17, May 20, 2007 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the Stand Strong! |
| Message | The Whigs will oppose, we are not pro-slavery, and religion is a personal ideology, not a national one. |
| Date | 23:31:04, May 20, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Stand Strong! |
| Message | No hard feelings, LP :@ |
| Date | 02:41:48, May 21, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the Stand Strong! |
| Message | Thanks :) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 277 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 473 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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