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Bill: Give up your stuff and get to work. Slaves.
Details
Submitted by[?]: Dark Oppressors Guild
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes the withdrawal from a treaty. It will require half of the legislature to vote in favor[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2410
Description[?]:
| It has become clear to our membership that none of the current parties seem to know the proper purpose of a government. Since the rest of the parties appear to be too lazy to actually oppress the populace, certain measures will have to be addressed by the DOG. |
Proposals
Article 1
Withdraw from the Global Emancipation Treaty.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning child labour.
Old value:: Child labour is forbidden.
Current: Child labour is forbidden.
Proposed: Child labour is mandatory; all children must seek employment.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Eminent Domain.
Old value:: The government may seize private property for vital government works.
Current: The government may seize private property for vital government works.
Proposed: The government may seize private property for any reason.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Eminent domain compensation (if eminent domain is legal).
Old value:: A neutral body appointed by the courts determines the compensation, either party may appeal.
Current: A neutral body appointed by the courts determines the compensation, either party may appeal.
Proposed: The government does not compensate victims of eminent domain.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change Energy regulation.
Old value:: Energy is provided by private companies but the prices they can charge are regulated.
Current: Energy is provided by private companies but the prices they can charge are regulated.
Proposed: Energy is provided by nationalised companies.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change Government agricultural and farming subsidies policy.
Old value:: The government denies subsidy assistance to farmers.
Current: The government allows local governments to craft agricultural subsidy policy.
Proposed: All agricultural operations are state-owned and operated.
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on industry and subsidies to industrial operations.
Old value:: The government acts as an investor of last resort, by nationalizing failing industries that provide vital goods or services.
Current: The government acts as an investor of last resort, by nationalizing failing industries that provide vital goods or services.
Proposed: All industry is owned and operated by the state.
Article 8
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards labor unions.
Old value:: Trade unions may exist and worker membership is voluntary.
Current: Trade unions may exist and worker membership is voluntary.
Proposed: Trade unions are illegal.
Article 9
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning private cars.
Old value:: There are no regulations on the ownership of private cars.
Current: There are no regulations on the ownership of private cars.
Proposed: Private cars are not allowed.
Article 10
Proposal[?] to change The government policy regarding housing.
Old value:: The state provides public housing to low-income families.
Current: All housing is private but rent is subsidised for low-income households.
Proposed: The state owns and maintains all housing.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 07:29:30, May 24, 2007 CET | From | Dark Oppressors Guild | To | Debating the Give up your stuff and get to work. Slaves. |
| Message | I think this may make our position very clear to our underlings. |
| Date | 07:42:01, May 24, 2007 CET | From | Social Conservative Party | To | Debating the Give up your stuff and get to work. Slaves. |
| Message | Subcreature of the DPG, this indeed makes your position clear. And while we are appaled there are some of the articles we are inclined to be suportive in thought, but not in principle. |
| Date | 08:51:58, May 24, 2007 CET | From | Wantuni Unitary Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Give up your stuff and get to work. Slaves. |
| Message | The UCP does not support the provisions listed in this legislation. |
| Date | 09:21:09, May 24, 2007 CET | From | Dark Oppressors Guild | To | Debating the Give up your stuff and get to work. Slaves. |
| Message | And you call yourselves politicians? If you dont support such basic legislation on the populace, what's the point in even having a government? |
| Date | 09:22:41, May 24, 2007 CET | From | Wantuni Unitary Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Give up your stuff and get to work. Slaves. |
| Message | Clearly, we must oppress the Proles only a small bit...inching our way to True Freedom. You can't just blindly thrust yourself into the final stages of evolution so suddenly. |
| Date | 09:23:38, May 24, 2007 CET | From | Dark Oppressors Guild | To | Debating the Give up your stuff and get to work. Slaves. |
| Message | Perhaps we can discuss the above proposals and come to some sort of agreement where they might be implemented. |
| Date | 09:30:21, May 24, 2007 CET | From | Social Conservative Party | To | Debating the Give up your stuff and get to work. Slaves. |
| Message | We will never accept article 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7,9, 10, As for the remaining articles. 3, 8, 11 . 3 we can accept in extreme cases of crisis, but this is already a fact as the government defines what is Vital.. We are against hte trade unions, but they are strong in this country and the fact of the matter is that it makes the working man more willing to accept our demands on them without making to much a fuss if they have this shadow of influence. 11 Yet again, trade unions are strong and to remove them at this speed would cause a civil war. |
| Date | 09:38:33, May 24, 2007 CET | From | Dark Oppressors Guild | To | Debating the Give up your stuff and get to work. Slaves. |
| Message | @3: All government work is vital, when compared to non-government work. Sadly, our antiquated justice system sometimes fails to realize this and must be properly circumvented. @8: We have found that allowing large groups of slaves to organize and make petty demands tends to increase the efforts required to pacify the occasionally revolts. This false sense of hope you prefer to give them, while amusing to observe, is simply not cost-effective. Proper oppression is difficult to apply when the populace believes the situation to be otherwise. @11: It may be said that the DOG enjoys strikes. But the inevitable massacres that strikes end up requiring are, again, not a very good way to keep the workforce producing. Yes, they may be amusing to conduct, even enjoyable. But we find it excessively cruel to tell the underlings that something is permitted then to turn around and execute them for it. An interesting diversion, perhaps, but that doesnt make it a wise decision. |
| Date | 10:04:30, May 24, 2007 CET | From | Social Conservative Party | To | Debating the Give up your stuff and get to work. Slaves. |
| Message | @3. If the government choose to define all government work is vital, which is our right to do. Then we have your article idea nr 3 already in action without having to change hte law. @8. Every theorists says that a happy content worker is more efficient then a non-happy forced labour. Your argument here does not work. @11. We do not massacre strikers, we have otehr means to controll the strikes. We make sure that good, sound, people are the leaders of the Unions, and that makes strikes almost a thing of the past. The occasional strikes that do arise are easily solved through the union leaders most co-operative nature. |
| Date | 17:38:37, May 24, 2007 CET | From | Dark Oppressors Guild | To | Debating the Give up your stuff and get to work. Slaves. |
| Message | @3: This is how the government shall define all work as vital. Through article 3. @8: They will be happy content workers, because the alternative is much worse. For them, that is. @11: Again, this is an example of this nation's lack of proper governance that must be corrected. Should I remove articles 3, 8 and 11, would I have your support on any of above articles? |
| Date | 18:02:42, May 24, 2007 CET | From | Social Conservative Party | To | Debating the Give up your stuff and get to work. Slaves. |
| Message | There needs to be no change in article 3. Period. If we are to follow your thought and pretend it is good, the security costs alone makes it not cost-effective. The people will not accept such a rapid change. (OOC: You cant make a revolution neither party wil accept that, but if you either remove articles here, or make a new one i would be willing to support Article 11. There is a "good" logic behind that which i can use, and that i only do cause i think you deserve a chance here and atleast get a bill through :)) |
| Date | 19:34:22, May 24, 2007 CET | From | Federalists Party | To | Debating the Give up your stuff and get to work. Slaves. |
| Message | Farewell Wantuni. |
| Date | 19:42:58, May 24, 2007 CET | From | Social Conservative Party | To | Debating the Give up your stuff and get to work. Slaves. |
| Message | What does that mean ? |
| Date | 21:52:40, May 24, 2007 CET | From | Okono Party | To | Debating the Give up your stuff and get to work. Slaves. |
| Message | We don't agree with any of them at the moment. The trade union ones can have be debated with us but as a whole, this bill will not get our support. |
| Date | 05:15:02, May 25, 2007 CET | From | Dark Oppressors Guild | To | Debating the Give up your stuff and get to work. Slaves. |
| Message | SCP, you oppose most of the bill. And also 3. And also 8 then? So...split off the ones regarding oppression of the trade unions? And split off article 11? |
| Date | 07:46:54, May 25, 2007 CET | From | Social Conservative Party | To | Debating the Give up your stuff and get to work. Slaves. |
| Message | I do not support any of them de facto. But as i do not want to be completely against it, i as well as Okono are willing to discuss article 11. The party i am want to limit the power of the unions, but we want to do it gradually |
| Date | 04:45:39, May 26, 2007 CET | From | Dark Oppressors Guild | To | Debating the Give up your stuff and get to work. Slaves. |
| Message | Article 11 removed, the rest sent to a vote. |
| Date | 14:20:37, May 26, 2007 CET | From | Royal Party | To | Debating the Give up your stuff and get to work. Slaves. |
| Message | Atleast they tried ;-) |
| Date | 01:23:44, May 27, 2007 CET | From | Wiedervereinigten Nationalisten | To | Debating the Give up your stuff and get to work. Slaves. |
| Message | THIS is communism :P |
| Date | 06:30:19, May 27, 2007 CET | From | Dark Oppressors Guild | To | Debating the Give up your stuff and get to work. Slaves. |
| Message | This vile attempt to derail the voting procedure shall not prevail. ooc: I was sure i put this to a vote...i suppose it was reset? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 500 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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