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Bill: Les Militaires Reforment
Details
Submitted by[?]: Nouveau Jacobins
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2415
Description[?]:
| We wish to reform the military to better protect it's people and interests. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Civil defence is the government's policy on providing shelters to be used in the event of attacks on major cities, mainly nuclear attacks and bombing.
Old value:: Local authorities are responsible for building and maintaining shelters.
Current: The government builds and maintains a network of shelters across the nation.
Proposed: The government builds and maintains a network of shelters across the nation.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Military stance on homosexuality.
Old value:: Open homosexuality is not tolerated in the military. The military has a "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
Current: Homosexuality is allowed in the military.
Proposed: Homosexuality is allowed in the military.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Women in the military.
Old value:: Women serve in segregated units.
Current: Women serve alongside men.
Proposed: Women serve alongside men.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:54:33, June 17, 2007 CET | From |  Partie Patriotique de Kanjor | To | Debating the Les Militaires Reforment |
| Message | Articles 2&3 we believe strike at the very heart of our having an effective military. We do not believe that 'good order and discipline' can achieved in circumstances which could see a significant proportion of our troopsspending their time chatting each other up. The current legislation does not prohibit either women or homosexuals from serving their country. |
| Date | 02:06:29, June 18, 2007 CET | From | Nouveau Jacobins | To | Debating the Les Militaires Reforment |
| Message | If you think article two and three strike at the very heart of us having an effective military, then I think we need to start looking for a new one, don't you think? |
| Date | 03:18:59, June 18, 2007 CET | From | Partie Patriotique de Kanjor | To | Debating the Les Militaires Reforment |
| Message | Our military is quite effective and amongst other things has provided peacekeepers during the Beiteynu-Pontesi conflict over Gran Tadraki, helped expel the Solentian invaders from Wantuni and defended Beiteynu against the Luthori invasion. Currently we still have deployed about 60,000 treoops in Beiteynu who are preventing the Beiteynuese from killing each other over religious matters also discouraging the Pontesian from having another go over Gran Tadraki. We think our military does a fine job, if it aint broke don't fix it! Jules Clervaux (Defence Minister) |
| Date | 03:56:44, June 18, 2007 CET | From | Nouveau Jacobins | To | Debating the Les Militaires Reforment |
| Message | The point I'm making is that if the military can operate effectively amidst bombs, gunfire, and death, I don't think women and homosexuals are going to make much of an impact. This is an army defending the people of Kanjor, made up by the people of Kanjor, and the people of Kanjor don't want to be separated into different groups defending their nation. I'm sure talking with women, and homosexuality will not prove to be a big factor in winning a war. |
| Date | 03:59:33, June 18, 2007 CET | From | Partie Patriotique de Kanjor | To | Debating the Les Militaires Reforment |
| Message | The current laws do not prohibit womem and homosexuals from participating in our armed forces. |
| Date | 04:13:28, June 18, 2007 CET | From | Nouveau Jacobins | To | Debating the Les Militaires Reforment |
| Message | Yes, I know, but technically, if it is found out that you are gay, than the military reserves the right to kick you out. The fact that they even have that right at all is something which I don't accept. And women serve in segregated units. Have you ever heard the phrase "Separate but Equal"? If you have, than you know why segregating anything between any group of people is wrong and usually ineffective. |
| Date | 04:22:51, June 18, 2007 CET | From | Partie Patriotique de Kanjor | To | Debating the Les Militaires Reforment |
| Message | It also means that men also serve in segregated units not just women! We may just have to agree to differ on this one. After the next election it is quite probable that parties favouring a change will the numbers to do so. |
| Date | 04:24:34, June 18, 2007 CET | From | Partie Patriotique de Kanjor | To | Debating the Les Militaires Reforment |
| Message | And by the way the Welsh-Dranian issue seems to have been resolved (the Welsh voluntary left) as a result Kanjor has withdrawn its delegation from the conference. |
| Date | 09:34:32, June 18, 2007 CET | From | Union Pour une Nation Homosexuelle | To | Debating the Les Militaires Reforment |
| Message | We shall vote against the act, however we do support article 2, and the points the PDC has made on this issue. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 0 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 225 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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