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Bill: Reform Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Beluzian Republican Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2428
Description[?]:
| You knew it was coming... |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Current: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Proposed: The Head of State is also Head of Government.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: Grand Emperor
Current: Their Majesty
Proposed: President
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:15:27, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Republican Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | Since this is important I think we ought to discuss it. |
| Date | 18:43:05, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Republican Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | actually since Zog is both PM and Monarch, I can see sense in making the Head of State the Head of Parliament. Only problem is the President title. |
| Date | 18:47:40, July 05, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | are you having a debate w yourself? |
| Date | 20:55:03, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Republican Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | just decided to comment again as I thought about something else :) |
| Date | 22:52:09, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | NO NO NO!!!! long live the Grand Emperor! |
| Date | 00:56:58, July 06, 2007 CET | From | Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | The NMrP of course favours this resolution as it sees the return of Beluzia's earlier division of powers. It also returns the title of President to the country. http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewnews.php?after=468&before=480&nation=9 |
| Date | 00:59:25, July 06, 2007 CET | From | Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | ooc: Hehe. That was our second election and this was our first: http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewnews.php?after=420&before=432&nation=9 At least it was the first with Parties as I am aware. |
| Date | 01:04:08, July 06, 2007 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | I hate President anyway!! Its either Grand Emperor or Prime Minister!! :) lol |
| Date | 12:10:05, July 07, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Republican Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | Well we can discuss a different word for the title, but I think that having the Head of State as the Head of Government makes sense. |
| Date | 14:03:13, July 07, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | I wasn't aware that you "Republican" rabble EVER made sense... ;) |
| Date | 15:10:23, July 07, 2007 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | no there is no sense in changing a perfectly good system. |
| Date | 16:04:43, July 07, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Republican Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | it's not perfectly good. The people have no say in who rules their nation. |
| Date | 16:10:04, July 07, 2007 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | No, they have a say in who governs them. That is the important part. As long as they are represented in government that is acceptable. The monarch has very few powers anyway, being a constitutional monarch. |
| Date | 16:52:55, July 07, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Republican Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | Why should we waste money keeping a deficent figurehead in power then. |
| Date | 17:39:34, July 07, 2007 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | An elected HOS would be the same. They would have the same roles and responsibilities. |
| Date | 13:07:34, July 08, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Republican Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | This isn't what we are suggesting. Take a look. The Prime Minister of the nation, would ALSO be the President. So it would save funds etc, while having a powerful figurehead in power. |
| Date | 13:34:07, July 08, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | The Republican Rabble seek only to appease their false gods by sacrificing Grand Emperor Zog to foriegn devils! |
| Date | 19:36:05, July 08, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Republican Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | if you got the Head of Government, Zog would also be leader of the State. I think it's a progressive move for democracy. |
| Date | 19:48:10, July 08, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | Zog is Grand Emperor, no matter how often your nefarious agents miscount the votes! |
| Date | 23:50:22, July 08, 2007 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | I dont think it is more democratic to have the same person for HOS and HOG.... surely if they are seperate there is more of a check so that the constitution is protected. |
| Date | 23:53:36, July 08, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Republican Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | but if you have the same person as monarch. They can always reject certain bills and accept certain bills so nothing can be reformed or changed. It's a bit of a farce really. We need a change. |
| Date | 23:54:54, July 08, 2007 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | The monarch does not have the right to veto. |
| Date | 16:08:37, July 09, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Republican Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | Then what does the monarch do? That leads me to consider a figurehead to be a rather retarded idea. Why not have a powerful leader. |
| Date | 16:12:40, July 09, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | We have been led to consider your possession of a great many retarded ideas. It has therefore been conjectured that you ride the short bus to parliament... |
| Date | 16:31:10, July 09, 2007 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | There is no more powerful leader than the Grand Emperor. How would your poxy republican president be moew powerful? |
| Date | 16:32:17, July 09, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Republican Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | More power. Better than imperialist scum in general. |
| Date | 16:33:02, July 09, 2007 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | How do they have more power? |
| Date | 20:32:13, July 09, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | They don't. The only difference is whether or not they are hereditary and neutral, or elected and partisan. The Liberals favour a non-partisan head of state to ensure political and economic stability. |
| Date | 21:00:18, July 09, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Republican Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | "stability" wtf... it's more stable if you have someone who is fully in control without this figurehead crap. |
| Date | 21:09:58, July 09, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | Zog has absolute mastery of Beluzia! You dance before as a capricious court jester unknowing of the precarity of his position! |
| Date | 22:00:33, July 09, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Republican Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | someone else should be given a shot. I wouldn't mind so much if the people elected Zog as PM and subsquently President under this system, but apart from that it's not fair. |
| Date | 22:05:12, July 09, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | President is a cowardly title which reduces the penis size of all who bear its name. |
| Date | 22:13:02, July 09, 2007 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | Well if you look at the "presidential" elections of the past, Zog was elected pretty much constantly, he was and remains a popular public figure. He was the last Laird to be elected, and as such he was given the title Grand Emperor in appreciation. |
| Date | 10:51:26, July 10, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Republican Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | Under this bill the General Election would also be the Presidential Election. |
| Date | 19:16:54, July 10, 2007 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | Yes but he was elected repeatedly anyway. I know that HOS election occur at the same time as general elections. |
| Date | 19:19:34, July 10, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | Zog is eternal. All shall bow and scrape, gobsmacked before his awesome majesty. |
| Date | 20:12:41, July 10, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Republican Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | Just because he was elected repeatedly doesn't mean that public opinion won't change again. Zog shouldn't be afraid if he remains the largest party. Suggestions for names will be accepted I can change that. |
| Date | 20:14:29, July 10, 2007 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | I dont think its the name, its the principle. |
| Date | 20:36:07, July 10, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | The People will oppose republicanism at every step. It sure as hell didn't work for the Romans! |
| Date | 21:01:11, July 10, 2007 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | they were so much better under the Emperors.... |
| Date | 23:47:03, July 10, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | Nothing quite like a good Tyrant! |
| Date | 23:49:08, July 10, 2007 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | lol well at least Rome was strong under the Emperors. |
| Date | 12:10:56, July 11, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Republican Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | I think Zog's afraid that he won't get voted in as leader :( |
| Date | 13:25:59, July 11, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | Zog grabs fear by the yarballs and yanks! |
| Date | 15:38:20, July 11, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Republican Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | So you'll vote for allowing the people to vote Zog in? |
| Date | 15:58:11, July 11, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | I favor Making Zog permanent Imperator of the universe.... |
| Date | 17:56:35, July 12, 2007 CET | From | Beluzian Republican Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | i'm going to try it :) fuck it if it doesn't work this time I'll try again :) Victory to the BRM... Victory for the Beluzian Republic. |
| Date | 22:01:28, July 12, 2007 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the Reform Bill |
| Message | Guess what im voting!!!! |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 181 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 375 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 194 |
| Random fact: Submitting a bill without any proposals in it will not attract or detract voters. It will not raise your visibility or change your political position. |
| Random quote: "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people." - Karl Marx |