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Bill: National Symbols Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: United Liberal Alliance
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2040
Description[?]:
| This bill would seek to provide a national identity for the Telamon Commonwealth by giving it a national flag and motto. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The national flag (URL).
Old value:: images/null.gif
Current: https://i.imgur.com/8dt9GFy.png
Proposed: http://flagspot.net/images/m/mh.gif
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The National Animal.
Old value:: Telamonian pigeon
Current: Hreindýr (Reindeer)
Proposed: Kangaroo
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The national motto.
Old value:: All for humans.
Current: Tælmörk mun standast tímans tönn
Proposed: Always To Be The Best
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The official national sport.
Old value:: soccer
Current: Fótbolti (Football/Soccer) (Summer) , Íshokki (Ice Hockey) (Winter)
Proposed: Football
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
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From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the National Symbols Act | | Message | You are possibly slightly confused, a Commonwealth simply refers to an association of states - usually a republic. The Commonwealth of Nations is an association of former British colonies, but we are not connected to that. Also, even if we were, most of the members of the Commonwealth of Nations do not have 'God Save the Queen' as their national anthem as many of them are infact republics (they simply acknowledge the Queen as head of the Commonwealth). Therefore, the motto 'God Save the Queen' is inappropriate. |
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From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the National Symbols Act | | Message | As regards the flag and the motto, these were simply suggestions, we are open to other ideas. Flags are difficult because we are limited really to those of actual states (unless someone wants to design one) and we felt it inappropriate to use the flag of a major state and therefore had to look amongst those that were less well known. The motto was just an idea - I like it because it was the motto of my university (if your interested (which I'm sure your not!!) it was also the personal motto of Alexander the Great (it is translated from Greek) and is a quote from Homer's the Odessy (which is why Alexander chose it!)!!. Anyway, other ideas/suggestions are welcome - this bill will not proceed forward for the time being until consensus is reached. |
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From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the National Symbols Act | | Message | Also, regarding the motto, we can keep the existing one if people want - when I submitted the bill, I forgot that the Party of National Progress had included a motto in their Government Renaming Bill. |
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From | Liberal Party of Telamon | To | Debating the National Symbols Act | | Message | firstly Alexande the Great wasnt greek, he was macodonian. now thats out of the way i want to say something. listen bud, dont go giving me a lecture on the commonwealth, unless your british wich i doubt you probobly havnt lived in the commonwealth. i live in australia and in case you didnt know, australia is part of the commonwealth. And no australia is not a republic, along with New Zealand, Canada and several othere pacific nations. South Africa, India and Zimbabwae might seem as if there in the commonwealth, but they are all republic, there head of state is their president. in australia the head of state is not the "honourable" *cough* John Howard, the head of Australia is technichly the Queen. Hence the most powerfull person in Australia is the Governor General, the representitive of the Queen. And by the way up untill about 20 years ago the national anthem was "Rule Britania" i dont think god save the queen was ever the national anthem, but it was still sung. |
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From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the National Symbols Act | | Message | If I might address some of the points you made. Firstly, I am aware that Alexander the Great was Mascedonian, in fact I don't recall mentioning his nationality in my last posts (though the Macedonians did speak a Greek dialect but that's besides the point). What I said was that the motto was translated from Greek (which it is, as Homer certainly was Greek). Secondly my friend, unfortunatly (perhaps) for you I AM BRITISH, so be careful. I am fully aware that Australia is a member of the commonwealth and that it infact calls itself the Commonwealth of Australia (if I'm not mistaken) and that it along with all the others you mention still retain the Queen as head of state - good for you and long may it continue!!! I was simply trying to point out that not all members of the Commonwealth still have the Queen as head of state indeed many such as India and Pakistan, as you mentioned are Republics and are members of the Commonwealth (the way in which they are able to remain members is because they acknowledge the Queen as Head of the Commonwealth). As well as this, the title commonwealth as I said refers to a collection of states (hence the way in which Australia uses it in its title) - it does not necessarily have anything to do with the Commonwealth of Nations and can be applied to republics. For example, the English Republic under Oliver Cromwell was styled a Commonwealth. Therefore, my point was that though Telamon is a Commonwealth, it is obviously a republic as we have an elected President, and because it is fictional, does not have any links with the Commonwealth of nations and so the motto 'God Save the Queen' is inappropriate because we do not have a monarchy. With regards to the anthem God Save the Queen, I believe it is the Royal Anthem in those states of which the Queen is still Head of State. Finally, from the tone of your last posts you appear rattled and so I apologise if anything in my previous posts offended you in anyway, that was certainly not the intention. |
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From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the National Symbols Act | | Message | With regards to your proposals for flags, don't much like the first one, but if everyone else does then that's ok, we can have it. Obviously I don't believe that the second one is appropriate to Telamon, but long may the Union Flag remain incorporated in the Australian one and long may British monarchs remain Australian ones too!! |
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From | | To | Debating the National Symbols Act | | Message | Methinks UCA's first suggestion is good. The other ones look too much like EU/UN. We are not to copy them, are we? |
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From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the National Symbols Act | | Message | We our happy with the national sport but feel it should be changed to its proper name - Football, thus we have introduced this proposal into this act. We also wish to introduce a proposal for a new national animal - anyone have any (proper) suggestions (i.e. NOT Telamonian pigeon or anything similar!!!) |
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From | | To | Debating the National Symbols Act | | Message | The mongoose. Small and benign, but through courage and speed it can defeat even the most venomous of snakes. |
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From | | To | Debating the National Symbols Act | | Message | I second this proposition and suggest that we move it for a vote. |
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From | | To | Debating the National Symbols Act | | Message | Also, isn't it a good idea if each new head of state sets his own national motto? Just to celebrate the change in the national affairs? |
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From | | To | Debating the National Symbols Act | | Message | Leave the national sport as Soccer, football is the American version which few people outside of the states understand |
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From | | To | Debating the National Symbols Act | | Message | Some Swedish students play american football. But outside of USA football==soccer. I'll support it either way, just it becomes some popular sport. |
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From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the National Symbols Act | | Message | No, no, no, the actual name for the game 'soccer' is Football. That's what the British called it and so that's what it should be. The Americans just had to cause problems with their 'American Football' which is nothing like football, in fact it's more like a version (albeit a terribly bad version) of rugby. Therefore we propose that the national sport be given its proper name which is Football. Only Americans would think that it was their game, everyone else should understand that Football = soccer. |
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From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the National Symbols Act | | Message | It is important to change these things to sensible ones to regain the respect of the international community, at the moment we are a laughing stock due to your bizarre changes - the ones which we seek to replace! Therefore it is an important reason to gather Congress of Progress, or Parliament as we prefer to call it! |
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From | Liberal Party of Telamon | To | Debating the National Symbols Act | | Message | well i woould usually vote yes, but ur friendly with the libertarians i would defiantly vote no. u see, ur agreement with the "LIBS" may have won ur majority in Parliament, but u have lost respect of the partys |
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From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the National Symbols Act | | Message | In what way have I lost the respect of the parties. I was simply carryiing out my obligation as Head of State to form a Cabinet which has a majority in Parliament, but uses the fewest political parties possible. As I share a similar ideology to that of the Libertarians and they would give me majority, this seemed the most logical thing to do. I Cabinet composed of all parliamentary parties would be pointless as their would then be no opposition!!! |
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From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the National Symbols Act | | Message | Oh and if you'll vote yes to this proposal I'm willing to consider Kangaroo - and please vote on the new Cabinet proposition if you have not already done so. Thanks!! |
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From | | To | Debating the National Symbols Act | | Message | The kangaroo is fine with us. A fine upstanding animal. We'll take nearly any existing animal that is not a social insect or school swimming fish. |
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From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the National Symbols Act | | Message | Once again, the proposals have been modified slightly to incorporate peoples' suggestions. Would now like to ask again, if this was to proceed to vote now, who would vote yes and who no - please just give a yes or no answer!! |
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| Vote |
Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 43 |
| no | Total Seats: 16 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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