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Bill: Ma'avak Manifesto Of The Sixth Jewish Homeland
Details
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2444
Description[?]:
| These are some proposals we would like to see implemented for the benefit of the nation, we will open this to debate before anything is put to a vote. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Curfew policy (curfew time to be determined in the bill description).
Old value:: No curfew policies may be established.
Current: Local governments may impose curfews, but only if a state of emergency has been declared.
Proposed: The national government may impose curfews, but only if a state of emergency has been declared.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Internet regulations.
Old value:: The government allows anyone to use the internet but the police can run investigations concerning illegal activities conducted by using internet (child abuse, illegal filesharing, ...)
Current: The government allows anyone to use the internet but the police can run investigations concerning illegal activities conducted by using internet (child abuse, illegal filesharing, ...)
Proposed: There is major censorship of the internet by the government.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Government recognition of interracial marriages (if marriages are recognised).
Old value:: Mixed race marriages follow the same regulation as other marriages.
Current: Mixed race marriages follow the same regulation as other marriages.
Proposed: Interracial marriages are not recognised by the government.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Government regulation of the viewing of movies.
Old value:: The viewing of movies is not regulated by the government.
Current: The viewing of movies is not regulated by the government.
Proposed: Only government approved movies are allowed to be viewed.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 09:38:48, August 14, 2007 CET | From | Civil Liberty Persecution Complex Party | To | Debating the Ma'avak Manifesto Of The Sixth Jewish Homeland |
| Message | You party was just booted from a fascist state and one of the first things you move for is pretty much eradication of a tonne of civil liberties? Mandatory gun ownership? Internet censorship? You'd think claiming refugee status from being persecuted by a fascist empire would've given some insight into your own policies. |
| Date | 14:11:19, August 14, 2007 CET | From |  Ma'avak | To | Debating the Ma'avak Manifesto Of The Sixth Jewish Homeland |
| Message | "Excuse me? Do the CLPCP have no knowledge of Beiteynuese history. Ma'avak has been around for longer than any other party in the nation, we were formed in the 2300's the combat the Pnték invasion of our land and for the entirety of the occupation were one of the leading forces in opposing the imperialists both in political and military means. It was Ma'avak that formed the Beiteynu Resistance Committee, Ma'avak the brought the BRC to power and Ma'avak that, alongside the secular Yachad party, established the Fifth Jewish Homeland. Additionally it was Ma'avak that re-established the monarchy and Ma'avak that served as the main foreign opposition to the illegal Hobrazian-Darnussian Union. We are the history and the heritage of this nation and in regards to Deltaria we are simply willing to offer support to our Jewish brothers of Majatra, they do not form our party, they merely aid it. We would suggest that the CLPCP spend more time researching our nations history and less time making unfounded political statements." |
| Date | 16:00:32, August 14, 2007 CET | From | Civil Liberty Persecution Complex Party | To | Debating the Ma'avak Manifesto Of The Sixth Jewish Homeland |
| Message | I know the history. I do not think that as a party that has been gone for years and preaches persecution from fascists proceeds to come to a nation that it may have connections to and then install a fascist dogma. Hypocrisy isn't something to abide by. |
| Date | 17:17:58, August 14, 2007 CET | From | Ma'avak | To | Debating the Ma'avak Manifesto Of The Sixth Jewish Homeland |
| Message | "preaches persecution from fascists" We did not say we were persecuted by fascists rather the Jews of Deltaria were, note: We-are-not-Deltarian. "proceeds to come to a nation that it may have connections to" Pardon? Our connections are clear my friend, we have run this nation, we have held HoS, we have brought us into treaties that we still abide by and we are much MUCH more intertwined with our national history and culture than you are. Yes we have been gone from the political system for a while but we have not been gone from the nation, we did not go to Deltaria if that is what you are trying to state, we have always been in Beiteynu. "I know the history." - From what you have said I find that unlikely. Maybe a little quiz is in order. Q: Which is the oldest party currently active in Beiteynu that has fought 24 elections, provided 2 Heads of State, numerous Heads of Government, held 100% of the vote and one stage in its history and is culturally and historically linked to the Jewish Homeland. Q: Which is one of the newest parties in Beiteynu that has fought two elections, failed to gain seats in any of them and is ignorant of everything that our nation stands for. Reply with the answers when you can. |
| Date | 18:56:40, August 14, 2007 CET | From | Civil Liberty Persecution Complex Party | To | Debating the Ma'avak Manifesto Of The Sixth Jewish Homeland |
| Message | Congratulations, all you have managed to do is say "I was here first so I am right". I'd join you on your pedestal but your high horse is pushing me off. |
| Date | 19:01:41, August 14, 2007 CET | From | Ma'avak | To | Debating the Ma'avak Manifesto Of The Sixth Jewish Homeland |
| Message | "You miss the argument, we feel our political viewpoint is correct but that is not because we have been around for longest it is because it is the mandate of the Lord passed down through centuries of Jewish tradition. If a new party were to propose this manifesto we would support just as readily as we would support it when proposed by ourselves, the fact that history has shown the people of Beiteynu support our views is an added bonus but not a necessity for this bill. The point of the above reply was the nullify your remarks that we are a foreign party made of Deltarian refugees with no connection to this nation. If we have got that out of the way then we would be happy to debate the finer points of this bill, article by article if it so requires. We are happy to argue on an ideological basis but not a historical one." |
| Date | 21:35:58, August 14, 2007 CET | From | Pharaoh's People's Party | To | Debating the Ma'avak Manifesto Of The Sixth Jewish Homeland |
| Message | Aside from the historical argument above, this bill is unacceptable for a number of reasons, particularly its treatment of interacial marriages and the elimination of some worker's right to strike. For the former, if people wish to "protect their blooline/heritage/traditions/race," they are welcome to do so; it is not, however, our responsibility to do it for them. The later is ridiculous, as it would be all to simple for a future authoritarian government or local government to deem all work vital, thereby preventing all strikes. In addition, the clauses about censorship and making marijuana illegal would only serve to make those restricted activities more enticing for the youth and criminals. Their legality restricts their use only to those who are interested in them for themselves, not as rebellious activities. |
| Date | 23:37:55, August 14, 2007 CET | From | Ma'avak | To | Debating the Ma'avak Manifesto Of The Sixth Jewish Homeland |
| Message | "We would thank the PPP for bringing some legitimate complaints to the flaw and we would be happy to address them. Firstly in regards to interracial marriage this is not so much an ideological viewpoint but a way to close up a loophole in our current legal process. Our current law states that citizenship is only given to Jewish individuals due to the inherrent nature of this state as a Jewish Homeland and as such any form of interracial marriage constitutes marriage of a citizen of our state to someone who does not have this status. Whilst we are concerned with Jews marrying non-Jews and thereby eradicating the Jewish race currently we are more concerned in patriotic turns as if this law remains it would be all to easy for illegal immigrants to marry their way to permanent residence in this nation or other nation to "steal" our citizens through marriage to their respective citizens. As we said this is merely the closing of a loophole. Next you refer to the proposal limiting the rights of workers to strike and whilst you raise a valid point in how future governments could interpret this law it is surely better than our current situation where anyone can just decide not to turn up to work. How would you feel if your home was being robbed and you phoned the police only to find none where available as they were on strike or if your own mother was struck terribly ill but could not be treated as all hospital staff were on strike? This law is a necessity in order to protect the lives and safety of our citizens. You also raise objection to the internet censorship and cannabis laws proposed on the grounds that "only serve to make those restricted activities more enticing for the youth and criminals". Whilst we appreciate where you are coming from we must first note that we propose the banning of cannabis for medical purposes not for recreational use. You are correct in that if we banned it outright, as we one day hope to do, it would create mass problems in controlling illegal use however as this only bans it for medical use it should be easy to ensure that all our hospitals are stripped of it and can not use it. Finally in regards to the interent you are right in that if some "whizz kid" were able to circumvent any proposed censorship they would find it enticing to do as it was banned however this will be an extreme minority as few have these skills. Yet at the same time we will be protecting millions from adverse and immoral material and in any case surely we can put enough faith in the forces of the Naczelnik Nasi and of the nation to locate and punish all lawbreakers in this field." |
| Date | 13:27:35, August 17, 2007 CET | From | HaLeumit Tikvah | To | Debating the Ma'avak Manifesto Of The Sixth Jewish Homeland |
| Message | We could support articles 4,5,6 and 7. Some articles here are too far reaching. We cannot hope to create the Promised Land for our people if we destroy their ability to become successful by handing the market over to the state. |
| Date | 21:51:40, August 17, 2007 CET | From | Ma'avak | To | Debating the Ma'avak Manifesto Of The Sixth Jewish Homeland |
| Message | If we split this bill into two, would the delegates of the Mizrachi Ligat be willing to vote in favour of the four articles they support? |
| Date | 22:19:11, August 17, 2007 CET | From | HaLeumit Tikvah | To | Debating the Ma'avak Manifesto Of The Sixth Jewish Homeland |
| Message | Yes, we would support a bill containing the articles we have mentioned. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 55 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 6 |
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