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Bill: Gun Control Bill of July 2443
Details
Submitted by[?]: Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2445
Description[?]:
| This Bill is to limit the number of illegal guns on the street while maintaining the individual's right to own a firearm. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Weapon concealment.
Old value:: Local governments may set and enforce concealed carry laws.
Current: Where weapons are carried, this must be done openly.
Proposed: Where weapons are carried, this must be done openly.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Weapons allowed to private citizens.
Old value:: Citizens may own any type of weapon. They may be carried anywhere except as determined by the property owner.
Current: Only certain types of weapons may be owned by the general public, and there are further restrictions on places where they may be carried.
Proposed: Only certain types of weapons may be owned by the general public, and there are further restrictions on places where they may be carried.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:48:25, August 18, 2007 CET | From |  2ème PPPP | To | Debating the Gun Control Bill of July 2443 |
| Message | I'll take as much gun control as I can get. |
| Date | 06:56:29, August 18, 2007 CET | From | Grand Order of Organized Native Sodality | To | Debating the Gun Control Bill of July 2443 |
| Message | We only support Article One |
| Date | 07:12:01, August 18, 2007 CET | From | Partie Patriotique de Kanjor | To | Debating the Gun Control Bill of July 2443 |
| Message | We really cannot support any of these proposals. |
| Date | 07:28:50, August 18, 2007 CET | From | Partie Patriotique de Kanjor | To | Debating the Gun Control Bill of July 2443 |
| Message | As for article 1, we would prefer weapons to be carried openly. |
| Date | 19:28:18, August 18, 2007 CET | From | Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD) | To | Debating the Gun Control Bill of July 2443 |
| Message | PPK: We see your point for Article 1; we'll change it momentarily. As for Article 2, we feel that automatic weaponry should be limited in scope. They are not needed for hunting and should therefore be restricted somewhat. Article 3, we feel that a strict licensing not only helps to fight crime ("Hey, the ballistics of this murder go to this gun, owned by this guy, he might be the killer," etc) as well as restrict those who have a dangerous mental illness or have dangerous criminal leanings. All of these things would be included in licensing and conditions. |
| Date | 19:41:51, August 18, 2007 CET | From | Partie Patriotique de Kanjor | To | Debating the Gun Control Bill of July 2443 |
| Message | Thank you for changing Article 1, we also are prepared to support 2 unfortunately we will not support 3 under any circumstances. If the bill could be split we would appreciate it. |
| Date | 06:31:34, August 19, 2007 CET | From | Partie Patriotique de Kanjor | To | Debating the Gun Control Bill of July 2443 |
| Message | We know we are being painful but we were unaware of some of the other options available for article 2 (sigh). We prefer either: "Citizens may own any type of weapons, but certain types are restricted to designated places." or "Only certain types of weapons may be owned by the general public, but these may be carried anywhere except as determined by the property owner." |
| Date | 15:15:47, August 19, 2007 CET | From | Union Pour une Nation Homosexuelle | To | Debating the Gun Control Bill of July 2443 |
| Message | we cannot support these proposals |
| Date | 00:57:21, August 20, 2007 CET | From | Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD) | To | Debating the Gun Control Bill of July 2443 |
| Message | PPK: We don't like the idea of some guy walking down the street with a fully automatic weapon because there is not an "owner" of the street, so we won't be going with the latter of your two. We don't feel there is a need for certain weapons, especially fully automatic weaponry, for the civilian population. These are not needed for the protection of the home, they are not needed for hunting, and they are not needed for any social reason. A strong national and local police force are there to protect the population. They are well funded and well trained. Given the current leftist control of government, we believe these police forces are treating their people well because of government oversight. Who needs these automatic weapons? |
| Date | 04:36:40, August 20, 2007 CET | From | Nouveau Jacobins | To | Debating the Gun Control Bill of July 2443 |
| Message | we see no reason to disarm the workers of Kanjor. |
| Date | 08:47:01, August 20, 2007 CET | From | Autonomie d'Ouvrier | To | Debating the Gun Control Bill of July 2443 |
| Message | Indeed we also see no need to disarm the workers of Kanjor |
| Date | 02:33:30, August 21, 2007 CET | From | Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD) | To | Debating the Gun Control Bill of July 2443 |
| Message | OOC: Haha, I'm surrounded by gun-toting good ol' boys! |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 93 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 282 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Alduria, Rildanor and Lourenne all have Canrilaise (French) cultures. |
| Random quote: "Politics is the art of the possible." - Otto von Bismarck |