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Bill: Collectivization of Agriculture
Details
Submitted by[?]: Communist Party of Beluzia and Bailon
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2479
Description[?]:
| For a modern, socialist agriculture! Encourage family farms to unite as collective farms. Provide collectives with government support and equipment. Promote sustainable agricultural development. Curb the power of rural aristocrats and bourgeois exploiters, by converting their land into state farms or collectives. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government agricultural and farming subsidies policy.
Old value:: Agricultural crops which are considered beneficial to the enviroment or to the continued ecological safety of the state are subsidized.
Current: The government subsidises the operations of low-income farming families.
Proposed: All agricultural operations are state-owned and operated.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning farm size.
Old value:: Farm size regulations are determined by local governments.
Current: Farm size regulations are determined by local governments.
Proposed: Small farms are encouraged to merge together into larger ones.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:44:55, September 05, 2007 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the Collectivization of Agriculture |
| Message | Doesnt work!!! |
| Date | 03:15:52, September 07, 2007 CET | From | Communist Party of Beluzia and Bailon | To | Debating the Collectivization of Agriculture |
| Message | That's an oversimplification. Collectivization gave peasants more power, because they finally had access to machinery. The first wave of collectivization in revolutionary China was actually quite successful. It wasn't until the Great Leap forward, when farms became gigantic and unmanageable, and focus was placed too much on heavy industry, that famine resulted. The Beluzian and Bailonian peasantry will appreciate voluntary collectivization. In fact, I think since we are building socialism, i should reduce the role of the state in agriculture -changes article 1-. |
| Date | 03:17:15, September 07, 2007 CET | From | Communist Party of Beluzia and Bailon | To | Debating the Collectivization of Agriculture |
| Message | Nevermind, I'll leave Article 1 the way it is, the state farms will be worker self-managed and democratically-run. |
| Date | 21:39:04, September 07, 2007 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the Collectivization of Agriculture |
| Message | The Soviet Union... need I say more? mass starvation? underproduction? It took over a decade to recover... do you want the deaths of millions of Beluzians on your conscience? |
| Date | 22:03:32, September 07, 2007 CET | From | Communist Party of Beluzia and Bailon | To | Debating the Collectivization of Agriculture |
| Message | Because collectivization was forced under Stalin. Beluzian collectivization is completely voluntary, and will benefit farmers. As far as I know, the only mass starvation in the Soviet Union was orchestrated by Stalin to kill Ukrainians. Let me make it clear that I hate Joseph Stalin and Stalinism. He was more of a revisionist than Khrushchev could ever be. |
| Date | 22:45:46, September 07, 2007 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the Collectivization of Agriculture |
| Message | All the same, I would rather that farmers were individuals and not a collective drome of workers. |
| Date | 04:32:47, September 08, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Collectivization of Agriculture |
| Message | large farms are bad for farmers and consumers (not to mention livestock and the environment...) |
| Date | 16:50:59, September 08, 2007 CET | From | Communist Party of Beluzia and Bailon | To | Debating the Collectivization of Agriculture |
| Message | Large farms are more efficient, and are certainly better for consumers. Our collective and state farms will be better for farmers, because it will give everyone land to work on. The toll to the environment will be limited if we focus on organic practices and pass pro-forest measures. |
| Date | 21:24:16, September 08, 2007 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the Collectivization of Agriculture |
| Message | so what you are saying is, you want to harm the environment... ? |
| Date | 06:46:50, September 10, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Collectivization of Agriculture |
| Message | large farms are more efficient where and when exactly? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivisation |
| Date | 16:01:50, October 31, 2007 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Collectivization of Agriculture |
| Message | Commies can't argue with facts, lies and fraud are their only weapons with which they can abuse the Beluzian People. |
| Date | 16:02:39, October 31, 2007 CET | From | Constitutional Monarchy Party | To | Debating the Collectivization of Agriculture |
| Message | I think I am fairly confident that this bill has failed. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 194 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 556 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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