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Bill: Action- Round Table Thinking.
Details
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2455
Description[?]:
| A Statement of stances. On how kep party members stand. With the co-aliltion in place all progress is halted. The governing on the country has been removed from the hands of the government to that of the thugs and Finance. If the government abandons all regulation, you do not end up with an unregulated society Rather an unelected minority replaces the government. The power transfers, at the moment to the corporations and powers elected by the will of Finance, not by the will of the people. Our new tyrrants care not for the Nation or her people, only for their own place on the stock markets and boards at Green Street. The Liberty, Freedoms and Wealth of our nation are raped by our new tryants, Lady Liberty and our grace Democracy lie broken and shamed in the gutter as the Lords of Finance and the Fat Cats of Industry establish their own rules and regulations in an 'unregulated' society. The Nation is divied and government will soon exist only as an obselete joke and a memory of when the Republic was ruled by Republician discisions and democracy still held relivence. In the current climate of absolutism on behalf of the Liberal Co-Alition no bill may pass though the gates of Parliment. Our Nations Pretenders stand still, the Orchestra of Unceasing Talk now all that remains, With no hope of any law getting passed we might as well just throw all that we would hope for, All that we might see as pleasent in a better, Democratic Society and let the people hear their voices defend them. Action is the movement of the people of Cildania, their answer to the tyranny that today oppresses them, that power is the money power of international finance, which commands the unwatched corporations and the old political parties. In the service of Finance an minimalist and impractical system is preserved both in government and industry. Government is paralysed by a system of universal talk in which nothing can be done in order that real power may lay else where, not in the hands of those chosen by the people but by those chosen by Finance. --Hail Motherland-- Hail Cildania, Arise end winters tyranny May you always strive for freedom, justice and truth. The Trinity Call Perserve the Heart of Soul Of Liberty Brethren with heart and hand, Let us strive to the sky! Bloom Cildania, Dedicated to Liberty Hail Cildania, jewel of the sea! Cildania the Home of Liberty! May you always strive for freedom, justice and truth. Cildania, Cildania, is the place of liberty Comrades the voices of the dead battalions, Of those who fell that Cildania might be born, Join in our song, for they still march in spirit with us, To guard Cildania, Jewel of the Sea! Hail Cildania, jewel of the sea! Cildania the Land of Liberty! Her everlasting Unity, Rights and Freedom, Brethren with heart and hand, Let us all strive for that! We're of their blood, and spirit of their spirit, Sprung from that soil for whose dear sake they bled, For Glorious Trintiy, Freedom, Truth and Justice! We lead the fight for Cildania and for Liberty! Hail Cildania, jewel of the sea! Cildania is the Jewel of Liberty! Arise Cildania! the dawn approaches, Great Cildania, Mother and Comrade Bloom Cildanian, may you always know prosperity The streets are still, the final struggle's ended; Flushed with the fight we proudly hail the dawn! See, over all the streets, Libertys Banners asailing Triumphant standards of Undying Nation Hail the Dawn, For the sun Rises like Cildania! Raise Up Your Eyes, and Glory in the Light! |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Firefighting services.
Old value:: The government has no fire management policy.
Current: There is a national fire department, funded by the government.
Proposed: The fire department is entirely volunteer, equipment and expenses paid for by the government.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Higher education institutions.
Old value:: The government does not maintain any forms of higher education.
Current: The government maintains a system of universities, vocational schools, and colleges nationwide.
Proposed: The government leaves the development and funding of all higher education institutions up to local governments.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The regulation of higher education.
Old value:: The government does not fund any public higher education institutions, permitting only private higher education institutions to exist.
Current: The government does not allow private higher education institutions.
Proposed: The government allows private higher education but regulates it to meet nationally set standards.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Higher education tuition policy.
Old value:: The government does not subsidize tuition, students must pay for higher education themselves. This does not include scholarship programs.
Current: The government fully subsidizes tuition.
Proposed: The government subsidizes higher education tuition to a certain amount, the rest is covered by the individual students. This includes scholarship programs.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change Government provision of legal aid to the accused.
Old value:: Legal representation for defendants in criminal trials is paid for by the state for defendants with low incomes.
Current: Legal representation for defendants in criminal trials is paid for by the state for defendants with low incomes.
Proposed: Legal representation for defendants in criminal trials is paid for by the state.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy towards the funding of libraries.
Old value:: Books may only be obtained through private dealers.
Current: Funding and operation of libraries is left entirely to local governments.
Proposed: The national government provides local governments with funding to operate libraries.
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change Sales tax on luxury goods.
Old value:: 3
Current: 7
Proposed: 13
Article 8
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the post office
Old value:: Only private post agencies exist, and the services they provide are unregulated.
Current: There is a nationalised post office agency. Private post offices are allowed to exist but the services provided by them are regulated.
Proposed: There is a nationalised post office. Private post office agencies are allowed to exist, and the services provided by them are not regulated.
Article 9
Proposal[?] to change
Taxation of religious institutions.
Old value:: No religions are taxed.
Current: Recognized religions are not taxed.
Proposed: Recognized religions are not taxed.
Article 10
Proposal[?] to change Remuneration of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Current: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Proposed: The salaries and pensions of ministers of religion shall be borne by the state and regulated by the law.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:31:44, September 13, 2007 CET | From |  Action | To | Debating the Action- Round Table Thinking. |
| Message | Also, Is there a map of Cildania. With Major cities and ports marked? if not would any care if i worked on one. |
| Date | 03:38:54, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Justice League of Cildania | To | Debating the Action- Round Table Thinking. |
| Message | Some out-of-date Cildania information can be found on our wikipedia page: http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Cildania If you would like to impartially update the information, you are welcome to do so. |
| Date | 03:40:30, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Action | To | Debating the Action- Round Table Thinking. |
| Message | And To those who claim that the government does not have the right to regulate or restrict. Why should the unelected corporations have the right do to the people more than the government elected by the people? Action will not stand Idly by as parliment is turned into Finances personal puppet show. -Tombs |
| Date | 04:17:52, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Marxist-Leninist Happiness Front | To | Debating the Action- Round Table Thinking. |
| Message | Remove religious taxation from the proposal and it'll be a set of proposals we can live with. |
| Date | 05:07:11, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Action | To | Debating the Action- Round Table Thinking. |
| Message | My good Reds, keep no pretentions, This bill cannot be passed by the present government, It is only a statement of stance. Testing the water so to speak. Many of these polices are Action Party Policy, some are the personal hobby-horses or particual Action Party members. But the country has fallen so far that it will take many more reforms before anything is finalised. |
| Date | 05:09:26, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Action | To | Debating the Action- Round Table Thinking. |
| Message | OOC- There is a Map of Hebilon done. might do some others. http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Hebilon if anyones not happy with it, you can argue it here. |
| Date | 05:45:03, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Justice League of Cildania | To | Debating the Action- Round Table Thinking. |
| Message | Not a bad map. Must be a high concentration of Welsh by the names. Corporations have no right nor the ability to regulate or restrict. If they wish to deal with you at all they must deal by voluntary trade and give value for value. It rests on the axiom that every man is the owner of his own mind and effort. |
| Date | 06:10:18, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Action | To | Debating the Action- Round Table Thinking. |
| Message | thanks, Celts are a major contributer of the racial background of our nation, And its hard to get more celtic than welsh. and the majority of the cities already listed had welsh leaning names so, obviously a good percentage of the celtic population are Hebileean. If a corporation attempted to overstep your expectations there a very little measures in place to prevent it. By withdrawing pariliment from power, the responsibilities fall to the first party to grab them, and they may not be delt with well. A corporation and a government are just a body of people, the difference is that one is elected by the people and monitored by the people and one is chosen and kept in check by the investors, time was there was a thrid difference, that the government watched the corporations, they they are unwatched and ungoverned and only finance can sway their opinions. |
| Date | 06:20:10, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Justice League of Cildania | To | Debating the Action- Round Table Thinking. |
| Message | The government certainly does watch corporations. They are held to the same laws as any individual, and any attempts by them to commit any manner of force or fraud upon anyone else are met with swift justice. There is no oppression from anyone upon anyone else, be it corporation or person, and it is the duty of the government to keep it that way. |
| Date | 09:44:26, September 13, 2007 CET | From | War is Peace Party | To | Debating the Action- Round Table Thinking. |
| Message | Get rid of article 10 and the meager amount of votes I carry with me will vote yes. |
| Date | 13:23:50, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Action | To | Debating the Action- Round Table Thinking. |
| Message | If a corporation which controls a monopoly on an essental production, say water or electricty decied to raise the cost to such an extent that all but the citizens of the highest incomes could afford it, the government would have no ability to prevent it. Does not every man woman and child in our fair nation deserve the right to food, water and a roof over his head, the basic essentials of life? |
| Date | 17:18:17, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Cildanian Egoists | To | Debating the Action- Round Table Thinking. |
| Message | No, they don't all deserve food, water, and a roof. Not unless they have earned enough to pay for them. |
| Date | 17:39:58, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Justice League of Cildania | To | Debating the Action- Round Table Thinking. |
| Message | The ICE is correct that one man's need is not a mortgage on another man's labor. You are right, any utility or producer of anything for that matter has the right to charge whatever price for his good he chooses, but he is not exempt from economic consequences. Since people will not pay for electricity or water they cannot afford, the monopolist will lose a great deal of business for his poor judgement. Meanwhile there would be a huge market for selling cheap water or electricity, which will encourage new competitors to start businesses or import the goods from areas that were previously too expensive to ship from. It is not holding whips over producers that give the people of this nation the essentials of life, it is wealth created by the producers to the prosperity of all. It is wealth that ends homelessness, it is wealth that ends the need for child labor, it is wealth that puts food on your table and electricity to your home. For a prosperous nation it is wealth then that we must focus on building, and it is wealth that thrives best in a nation of freedom that you so succinctly despise. |
| Date | 22:48:54, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Action | To | Debating the Action- Round Table Thinking. |
| Message | There is no war to guarantee competition in industry without government regulation, There is nothing to stop a corporation or conglomerate from monopolising an industry and using under hand yet perfectly legal finance to ensure his sole dominion with the current laws put in place by the liberal co-alition. Child labour did not exist until the pursuit of industrial wealth overtook the pursuit of a better society, Not until finance and the money powers started to control government, and indeed it thrives under current conditions. If one works as hard as his conditions allow him, he may still not earn enough to scrape a living if those who control the cost of the product increase it expenitional, Capitalism has the pretense of fairness, the employer supplies the work place and tools, and the worker supplies the labour, the value of the commodities made by the worker comes from the labour invested in them and worker receives only a fraction of that labour. Under the current society the bulk of the income of a product not to who earned it, not to he who did the actual work, but to he who employed him and had at best a minor administive role in the production of the product, and in the case of larger corporations none at all as it is all handled by local managers and clerks. And yet in many cases the worker is paid so little as to be unable to afford the product to which he has laboured. The people of Cildania are robbed of the power to buy Cildanian goods because their wages are bragged down by cheap slave labour from abroad, and progressively our own people, they are subject to that competition because Finance draws its power from foreign investment in the form of cheap foreign goods and the deregulated government. So we challenge Finance and the parties who have sold the people to musery, to carry out the peoples will to subordinate to the nation the vested interests so that they exploit the people. We ask of the people, power to the peoples government that power must be freely given and can be removed by the people, But the government elected by the people Must have power to act, if the peoples government has not power to govern then the money power will continue to govern that money power has divided the Cildanian people in order that it may rule them, We have been divided by the war of party, of class and of faction So the Cildanians who for seven hundred years have never been conquered by the foe without have been subdued by the foe within, Cildanians who should be brothers have fought each other and alien finance has conquered, Therefore to our brother Cildanians we say Unite, Cildania United is invincible and irrestible and together we will build mightiest civilisation mankind has known, a New World awaits the united will of Cildania reborn, Cildanias Advance, the path of Action over aimless talk. -Rothscild |
| Date | 23:19:00, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Cildanian Egoists | To | Debating the Action- Round Table Thinking. |
| Message | The worker provides labor, this is true. The employer provides the idea of the product which the labor is going to create. The employer provides the factory in which the labor takes place. The employer provides the tools with which the worker labors. Without the capitalist, labor is worthless, because it has nothing productive to do. The worker needs the capitalist far more than the capitalist needs the worker. If the capitalist has no workers, he can simply leave the country and go somewhere where people have more desire to work. If the worker has no capitalists, he starves for lack of a job. The employer is not only the financial force which allows labor to take place, he is also the creative force. The worker whose limited skills render him little more than an interchangeable cog should take care not to overestimate his importance as compared to the capitalist, who not only provides the fuel which drives the machine of industry, but creates the blueprint by which that machine is even able to exist. |
| Date | 23:48:15, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Action | To | Debating the Action- Round Table Thinking. |
| Message | And what of the employer who has tink-tanks on his team? I heavily dispute the claim that without the capitalist the work has no occupation. The craftsmen, small buisnessmen, farmers and all those who sell services to each other will always find occupation and are better served working for themselves and each other than in large chains and corporations. A shop which is run by the man whose name rests above the door and who chooses his product based on his local market and supply rather than a nationwide chain which suppies the same goods to everyone at the same price and with the same touch is always favourable to the customer. Food will always be in need, the basic nessicities for which people will always work for and yet this government seems to think that without the capitalist the worker would stand idle for want of someone to tell him what to do. they calim to beleive in the individual and yet quite firmly suggest that the indivual has not the intelligence to nativage his way though a coal sack. I say this to the party cabinet, and indeed to the house at large, does a man with such little understanding of humanity and human nature have any right decieding on how the people of our nation live their lives? |
| Date | 00:09:25, September 14, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Cildanian Egoists | To | Debating the Action- Round Table Thinking. |
| Message | Ah. You wish to return to the days of fishing shanties and gentlemen farmers. Should we then get rid of the quaint notion of electricty, and put away the motor cars in favor of a good steed? Perhaps eliminate currency while we are at it, and move to a barter system. Let the fisherman take his catch to the haberdashery, and slap a headless pike on the counter in exchange for a new hat, or the farmer bring in a few bushels of wheat to get a new dress for the little woman at the corner tailor. The customer prefers the most beneficial equilibrium point of quality and price. Given the option of purchasing a handcrafted product from the corner store, or getting a mass produced corporate version that looks, feels, and functions exactly the same for half the price, because of the fact that it is mass produced, the consumer will typically go with the corporate product. Consumers want the most value for their money, paying for quaint boutique items is the province of those who are not only rich, but have little imagination in how to spend their money. |
| Date | 00:26:24, September 14, 2007 CET | From | Action | To | Debating the Action- Round Table Thinking. |
| Message | If the shop keeper has personal experience of his market and local demand he better serves the community. Of course large scale industries are better served run by interprovencal organisations, But the corner shop is indeed the corner stone of service and supply, and they are dwindling, unable to keep up to international corporations which purchase on bulk and supply products weither or not they are demanded or even wanted. The people in such a society cannot buy what they want, they buy what they are relentlessly supplied with and as such over time their mood shifts as whatever their stuck with becomes the norm. Under free Capitalism the people have no choice in the products they may purchase, just in the packet it comes in. |
| Date | 00:34:55, September 14, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Cildanian Egoists | To | Debating the Action- Round Table Thinking. |
| Message | Your delusions, while amusing, grow tiresome to refute, as you draw all argumentation from the fantasy land that exists only in your mind. The citizens of Free Cildania are content and prosperous, and your rhetoric will not sway them. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 102 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 234 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 89 |
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