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Bill: Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2456 - 2459
Details
Submitted by[?]: Federal Independent Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2457
Description[?]:
| Supreme President Grayce Bobisuthi's cabinet selection for her 2456 - 2459 term. If it is to fail, it will be reshaped. Those who pose as obstructionists to the cabinet will be removed. |
Proposals
Article 1
As per the Constitution, the President chairs the cabinet.
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the 
Independent Party
Article 3
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the New Centre and Unionists
Article 4
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the New Centre and Unionists
Article 5
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Federal Independent Party
Article 6
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the Federal Independent Party
Article 7
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Conservative Party of Solentia
Article 8
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the Federal Independent Party
Article 9
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Federal Independent Party
Article 10
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Labour Party of Solentia
Article 11
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Labour Party of Solentia
Article 12
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the Liberal Party of Solentia
Article 13
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the Liberal Party of Solentia
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 10:42:00, September 18, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2456 - 2459 |
| Message | The Federal Independent Party should understand that due to linguistical problems, we were unable to vote for the last cabinet. We feel however, that we should retain the seats that we were promised. We would not be the first party to experience these problems, and I remind you, this is the first time this situation has occured with us. Ethan Turner, Deputy Party Leader (OOC - Really sorry everyone, I've been extremely busy for the last couple of days and couldn't get to my computer to vote on the last cabinet.) |
| Date | 15:05:32, September 18, 2007 CET | From | Labour Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2456 - 2459 |
| Message | I thank the FIP for including us in your cabinet. Transport and Justice are two major areas that our party will thrive on the challenges they throw. Jack Henshaw, Labour Party Leader |
| Date | 00:43:59, September 19, 2007 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2456 - 2459 |
| Message | Promised Mr. Turner? The only seat your party has been promised is the Senate Wardenship. And as far as it would seem, your party has done nothing to progress our relations. It has only weakened them from rash encounters with rude party Senators to engaging in un-civil debate. What has it done now to make a move for a greater future with us? This is very annoying to me and my fellow Senators. We have seen this same cabinet rule since Supreme President Andronicus. Supreme President Clark was ignored throughout his three year term and now so is Supreme President Bobisuthi. This is the third time a cabinet will be blocked. The only time a cabinet should be blocked is if it poses a threat to the nation, and with the support we still have the people obviously do not feel the cabinets we propose pose any threat. It is a mandate from the people to allow the Supreme President to choose his/her cabinet. If you can convince us as to why we should reshuffle the cabinet for your party's sake again - without offending anyone and without using intolerably agressive debate - we will appeal to the Supreme President to make a new decision. And when you do this, please explain who will be losing seats and why they are losing those seats. We await your response. FIP Senate Speaker James Milellan |
| Date | 08:46:16, September 19, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2456 - 2459 |
| Message | Mr Milellan! You astonish me! Yes the seat we have been promised is the Senate Wardenship, yet we have not been appointed this seat. You speak of "rash encounters". The "rash encounters" you mention were in fact, a single isolated incident which was dealt with very seriously by the party. In terms of "done nothing to progress relations", the Senator in question was dismissed from the party, and you were issued a formal apology, if that is not "progressing realations" then I don't know what is. As far as a "greater future" goes, we have recently stated our intention to regain a co-operative relationship. How do you propose we should progress the relationship if you insist on constantly bringing the matter up? Regarding your remarks about the Cabinet, it is the Supreme President's responsibility to provide a Cabinet that the Senate agrees on. You chose to ignore that responsibility when you refused to debate on bills and present new bills. We have blocked one, and only one Cabinet, and may I remind you that it was unintentional. Once again you make reference to "intolerably aggressive debate". Once again I remind you that this was an isolated incident. Once again, I suggest you cease mentioning the incident as it has been dealt with. This time however, we will make our first (ever) opposition of a Cabinet. I will not be pushed around Mr. Milellan Ethan Turner, Deputy Party Leader |
| Date | 02:39:07, September 20, 2007 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2456 - 2459 |
| Message | Mr. Turner, I have generally liked you and the terms you have served as a Liberal Senator, though your recent elevation to Deputy Leader is still seemingly fresh. And I believe I have always respected you and found you as a man that does what he believes in. But this incident is quite disappointing really. It's rather aggrivating. Senate Speaker Milellan and I are good friends, but politically we do not match up. He's right-wing and I favor the left. And while I disagree with what he has said regarding your party's recent attempts to patch the problem created by Senator Livingston, I agree with him about a more important topic: the cabinet. To oppose the cabinet is in this party's view, or from the more traditionalist Federal Independent Senator's views like myself, is an act of outrage. It is the most pure form of destroying any progress the nation has left in times of trouble or confusion. And while I believe under our latest administrations we have had general peace and prosperity, I believe that this time represents an all too familiar past of when there was a government shut-down in the 30s. It is to my knowledge that you and your party were probably the most aggressive enemies of the Conservative Party, only second to us who fought with them for much longer than your party had. And it is also to my knowledge that your party opposed the Conservative Party's political tactics and policies towards the Federal Independent Party. Well, it would seem that your party has done the very same thing as they have. And that would be a government shut-down, supposedly "unintentional" the first time and now intentional. I have sympathy for the first instance, but this second I do not. And I'll tell you why. It is to my belief and my ideology that spiting another party based off of what one person says from that party is perhaps the worst thing a politician can do. Not only does it bring out the immaturity within a Senator, but it represents an even greater disappointment when that Senator's party is weak enough to be swayed to defend that person. That would be the case here. When you said "I will not be pushed around", you represented yourself. But, your party voted according to what you said. So your party in turn lowered itself to your level of partisan politics, to a state of blindness where it supports you for your integrity. The situation is very sad, I must say. Also, if you were trying to be valiant and stand up against us, then I applaud you. I feel it is important for Senators to voice their opinions, no matter for what purpose. But by showing that your party opposes a cabinet based off of the reasoning that you were offended by Mr. Milellan, then I lose all respect for you. If you think Mr. Milellan is viciously vocal, then you need to step out of politics. We stood up and attempted to work with the greatest divisionist and most partisan player in politics this modern republic has seen: Julia Taylor. If we were to collapse like you did, I guarantee this party wouldn't be an actively registered entity in Solentia. We never gave up, we tried and tried to work with them and they pushed us over the edge. Shortly after, they were disbanded for good reasons. Your party's choice to oppose this cabinet based off of the reasoning you gave is in my opinion unexcusable. We have only voted against a cabinet once and that was due to the cabinet being comprised of anarchists mixed with terrorists that surely would have put this country into chaos. We reserve this rare option for serious cases and serious cases alone, not comparable to a joke like this. I believe I have little else to say other than this last thing. To ensure that I am not speaking alone, I requested every Federal Independent Senator that came to the same consensus I did to sign-on to my statement I have just made. I shall now take the time to read each Senator's name. Thiris Lansdon, for myself Peter Quincy Vedrin Levish Avinni Smitcher Paul Simon Regis Caldwell Irton Dedril John Strickland Wedrin Querd Robert Byrd Jr. Gary Releib Brendan Finser Daniel Muller Jack Busser Xzar Mericessan Paul Butcher Steve Revista Nyrith Xzevic Edward Hethrend Thomas Genchyki Fr. Lorenzo Bailen Gerald Velrard Matthias Javer Mark Kotowski Marvin Dyslan Fr. Farell Altesk Seriuth Meda Dale Armbruster Gregory Bieler David Miryl Jon Irenicus Vincent Katyll Lauren Kunikis Lorenzo Cien Alex Del'Vier Connie Schultz Jacob Civek Fr. Adlai Yervish Fr. Nethir Hevak Fr. Dean DeFierra Fr. Requal Gris Fr. Tyver Capaun Fr. Farell Lydon Fr. Len Velrue Fr. Ignatius Ascer Davik Theshir Hugh Bure I yield the floor. FIP Ranking Senator Thiris Lansdon |
| Date | 02:59:49, September 20, 2007 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2456 - 2459 |
| Message | More Senators have signed-on in agreeing with my statement. I will release the list in a short time. I yield the floor. FIP Ranking Senator Thiris Lansdon |
| Date | 10:16:36, September 20, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2456 - 2459 |
| Message | Mr. Lansdon, You seem to believe that my party is divided, and I speak solely of my own accord. Unlike the Federal Independent Party, the Liberal Party is not divided. All statements made by Senators are in line with party beliefs. This party is made up of politicians with liberal ideologies, not some conservative, some leftist and some centrists. Mr Milellan attacks the LPS, then you tell me you do not wholly agree with his statements and put forward your own view. The Federal Independent Party is not unified. You underestimate me Mr. Lansdon, I am not a man who will jepordise the government simply to annoy a certain little Senator. You can not tell me that you have not seen this coming? You must understand that the LPS has become increasingly disillusioned with the FIP of late? Although annoying Mr. Milellan was an added bonus, the underlying reasons are as follows: - The FIP did not honour the DEP. The LPS should be offered the Senate Wardenship. - The FIP has recently undergone a massive overhaul of leadership, as a result voting has become increasingly erratic and conservative. Furthermore, FIP party members appear not to communicate as has become evident in this debate. - In essence we believe the FIP to be unstable. I (or would you prefer we?) again state that I will not be pushed around and we will not intimidated to vote for something we do not believe believe in. For the sake of Solentia, I would suggest that the new party officials establish some kind of official policy, because at the moment, we (and I'm sure many other parties) are unsure as to what exactly you stand for. We feel we cannot enter in to any sort of constructive debate until we are convinced that the FIP is stable and unified. Ethan Turner, Deputy Party Leader |
| Date | 03:35:39, September 21, 2007 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2456 - 2459 |
| Message | Very well, if that is your take on our party and the people who support it, then we need not say anymore. Obviously you are going to continue thinking the way you currently are and there is nothing that a party of un-unified, annoying, unstable, un-lableable, and erratic Senators can do about it. FIP Majority Leader Peter Quincy |
| Date | 20:16:48, September 22, 2007 CET | From | Workers Party | To | Debating the Supreme Presidential Cabinet 2456 - 2459 |
| Message | Do the Liberal ministers take charge, even when their party votes against the proposed cabinet? Sen. François Hewington - Workers Party |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 298 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 127 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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