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Bill: [OOC] What is FREEDOM??? [In 30 mins. (haha)]
Details
Submitted by[?]: Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2495
Description[?]:
| (1) The Philosophy of Liberty: cf. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z1buym2xUM&mode=related&search= (2) CARTOONS from GRANDMA's day(haha): (a) http://youtube.com/watch?v=g_DaMKUP3Og (b) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rxN-4Uk-jY (3) Which is STRONGER: The "muscles" or the "minds"??? cf. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VRfySkvOJo (4) Recording(s) of the National Anthem: (a) "Patience, Patience Little Brother/Sister, It's gonna be A Brighter Day!!!": cf. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVD4gRZ8GzE (b) "Ain't No Mountain High Enough": cf. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz-UvQYAmbg Thank you for your full support. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The lyrics of the national anthem.
Old value:: Well since she took our Crown I’ve been out doing in my head Come in late at night and in the morning I just lay in bed Well, Rhonda you look so fine (look so fine) And I know it wouldnt take much time For you to help us Rhonda Help get Likaton into our hearts Help us Rhonda Help, help us Rhonda Help us Rhonda Help, help us Rhonda Help us Rhonda Help, help us Rhonda Help us Rhonda Help, help us Rhonda Help us Rhonda yeah Get Likaton into our hearts She is our Emissary And we are gonna be her peeps And she let her puppies get loose amongst us And it made our dreams come true Well, Rhonda you caught our eye (caught our eye) And we can give you lots of reasons why You gotta help us Rhonda Help get Likaton into our hearts Help us Rhonda Help, help us Rhonda Help us Rhonda Help, help us Rhonda Help us Rhonda Help, help us Rhonda Help us Rhonda Help, help us Rhonda Help us Rhonda yeah Get Likaton into our hearts
Current:
| "Beneath the Likatonian Skies" In the heart of every Likatonian soul, Lies the spirit of freedom, brave and bold. From the Luthori shores to Likatonia's land, We carved our destiny with our own hands. Beneath the Likatonian skies, so vast and wide, Together we stand, with pride side by side. From East Bolton's gold to the fields of green, In every heart, the Likatonian dream is seen. Through the trials of revolution's fiery night, We sought our liberty, our sacred right. In unity, our voices rose as one, Under the banner of freedom, we were never undone. From the Native Likatonian's ancient song, To the settlers' hopes, enduring and strong. In every corner of this land we roam, Likatonia, forever our home. In the east, where the wild frontiers call, To the western lands, where the mighty rivers fall. Our nation's story, a tapestry so grand, Woven by every woman, child, and man. Arise, Likatonians, in unity and might, For our land, for our freedom, for our right. Under the Likatonian skies, we pledge our love so true, To our beloved land, red, white, and blue. |
Proposed:
| (1) I know you have questions same ones as me How long has it been? How long will it be? When will come the morning to drive the night away? Tell me when will come the morning of a brighter day? [Chorus:] Patience, Little Sister Patience, Little Brother Patience, Patience Take each other by the hand Patience, Little Sisters Patience, Little Brothers Let us walk together to the Promised Land [Jimmy:] There's a river to cross And a mountain to climb Patience, Patience It's gonna take some time [Lorrell:] We must walk in Peace [Jimmy:] We got to walk in Peace [Lorrell:] It's the only, only way [Jimmy:] If we want to see that morning [Jimmy :] Of a Brighter Day [Lorrell:] Of a Brighter Day [Chorus:] Patience, Little Sister Patience, Little Brother Patience, Patience We're gonna find a way Patience, Little Sisters Patience, Little Brothers Until that morning of a Brighter Day Patience, Patience 'Til that Brighter Day Patience, Patience 'Til that Brighter Day (2) [To give the People a CHOICE(haha)]: Ohhh Ain't no mountain high Ain't no vally low Ain't no river wide enough, baby If you need me, call me No matter where you are No matter how far Just call out my name I'll be there in a hurry You don't have to worry 'Cause baby, There ain't no mountain high enough Ain't no valley low enough Ain't no river wide enough To keep me from getting to you Remember the day I set you free I told you You could always count on me darlin' And from that day on I made a vow I'll be there when you want me Some way, soooooome how 'Cause baby, There ain't no mountain high enough Ain't no valley low enough Ain't no river wide enough To keep me from getting to you No wind (no wind) , no rain (no rain) {Ohhhh..ooh ooh ooh} My love is alive Way down in my heart Although we are miles apart If you ever need a helping hand I'll be there on the double Just as fast as I can Don't you know that Ain't no mountain high enough Ain't no valley low enough Ain't no river wide enough To keep me from you Ain't no mountain high enough Ain't no valley low enough Ain't no river wide enough To keep me from you Don't you know that There ain't no mountain high enough Ain't no valley low enough Ain't no river wide enough To keep me from gettin' to you babe.. |
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The National Animal.
Old value:: Rhonda Schtuker
Current: Likatonian Eagle
Proposed: The Majestic White Tiger
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The official national sport.
Old value:: Wet T-Shirt competitions.
Current: Football
Proposed: Basketball & Hockey
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 08:56:52, November 24, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the [OOC] What is FREEDOM??? [In 30 mins. (haha)] |
| Message | P.S.: This is a bill that you can (literally) JAM to(hahaha)!!! |
| Date | 11:25:14, November 24, 2007 CET | From | Computational Intellect Project | To | Debating the [OOC] What is FREEDOM??? [In 30 mins. (haha)] |
| Message | lol - OMG. |
| Date | 15:31:36, November 24, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the [OOC] What is FREEDOM??? [In 30 mins. (haha)] |
| Message | haha |
| Date | 15:49:44, November 24, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the [OOC] What is FREEDOM??? [In 30 mins. (haha)] |
| Message | Greg, did you even WATCH the videos??? This "bill" was NOT to be taken seriously in game hence the caption "OOC" in the title. I was trying to stimulate "unofficial" discussion of the issues raised by the videos. |
| Date | 16:06:52, November 24, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the [OOC] What is FREEDOM??? [In 30 mins. (haha)] |
| Message | OOC: I admit, I only got a minute into the first one before I decided it was pretentious wankery. "You own your life"? SUre - if meaningless assertions are valid - knock yourself out. But what is the supporting argument? Oh - they basically repeat it in slightly different words. That's the problem. 'Liberty' doesn't exist, except as a concept... and it can only be supported by creating other equally meaningless concepts to 'explain' it. To believe that some people are actually suckered by such self-satisfying pseudophilosophy is desperately depressing. Worse still - the entire philosophy is almost entirely a Judeo-Christian Western hemispherical phenomenon, but is a rebellion both against established human nature (i.e. people instinctively assume possession of one another, or assume position as possession) and against Judeo-Christian principles (i.e. the Christian ideal is submission - to make oneself a servant of all others). So... baseless concept, supported by equally baseless symbolism, contrary to natural law, contrary to western culture. I'll admit, I didn't even bother watching any more. |
| Date | 18:27:42, November 24, 2007 CET | From |  Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the [OOC] What is FREEDOM??? [In 30 mins. (haha)] |
| Message | Funk off :)... Seriously, this has no place here, surely. |
| Date | 19:32:57, November 24, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the [OOC] What is FREEDOM??? [In 30 mins. (haha)] |
| Message | Drang, if you didn't watch the videos, then that is (indirectly) admitting that you are argument against freedom and liberty is NULL & VOID!!! In other words, I win by DEFAULT (haha). The idea is that in the same way that everybody is UNITED in agreeing that it is morally and ethically wrong for me to break into your home and STEAL your goods, it is the essentially the same thing if I organize a mob and lobby the Government to pass a law that FORCES you to give me your goods. |
| Date | 21:52:01, November 24, 2007 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the [OOC] What is FREEDOM??? [In 30 mins. (haha)] |
| Message | I don't agree that it is morally wrong to steal, or murder. It is culturally wrong, in the culture I live in, but there is no over-riding moral or ethical code beyond the ones we make and break every day, and they certainly aren't universal. Non wanting to watch some crappy youtube shit doesn't make or break anyones argument, it just means some people have better things to do with their time. |
| Date | 23:19:38, November 24, 2007 CET | From | Permissive Social Union | To | Debating the [OOC] What is FREEDOM??? [In 30 mins. (haha)] |
| Message | MMMMmmmm more toast. This time it might need jam with it. |
| Date | 03:49:34, November 25, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the [OOC] What is FREEDOM??? [In 30 mins. (haha)] |
| Message | Immeressence, I agree with you that "moral values" are RELATIVE to each individual culture, but there are just SOME morals that are UNIVERSAL and that includes theft and murder as well as lying. However, morals such that include SEXUALITY and religion are relative. |
| Date | 07:09:37, November 25, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the [OOC] What is FREEDOM??? [In 30 mins. (haha)] |
| Message | The CWFP are curiously naive... "Murder" must always be culturally unacceptable, as long as the laws of the culture are directly linked to the cultural ethos. Why? Simple - because "murder" specifically means illegal killing. On the other hand... many cultures have allowed killings to be managed in a legal fashion - which, even if premeditated and unprovoked, would theoretically not be murder. Duelling, for example, is a classical example of premeditated killing that is not murder. Similarly, lying is all a matter of context... On the subject of 'theft'... property is something that has different rules in different cultures. What you onsider 'theft' would be a nonsense to someone else. |
| Date | 07:12:42, November 25, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the [OOC] What is FREEDOM??? [In 30 mins. (haha)] |
| Message | As to why the Am SuDP failed to watch the videos presented... we are not sufficiently bored that we are going to waste time watching random crap. We feel sorry for the CWFP voters, if this is how their representatives spend their time. |
| Date | 14:15:32, November 25, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the [OOC] What is FREEDOM??? [In 30 mins. (haha)] |
| Message | FYI, dueling is illegal in ALL Western Democracies. The Death Penalty is illegal in ALL countries, with exceptions being the U.S., Iraq, Iran, China, and Saudia Arabia. |
| Date | 14:18:58, November 25, 2007 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the [OOC] What is FREEDOM??? [In 30 mins. (haha)] |
| Message | All property is theft. Does that mean ownership of property is against the universal morals? In some cultures cannibalism is accepted. In some, killing, and in some, duelling. If a moral is universalm then using western democracies only as an example is deeply flawed. If the death penalty is legal in 5 countries, then it is clearly not universally condemned, and not illegal in ALL countries. The word you want there is MOST, by the way. |
| Date | 21:51:03, November 25, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the [OOC] What is FREEDOM??? [In 30 mins. (haha)] |
| Message | OOC: Why is it that the CWFP seem completely incapable of bridging the gap between IN and OUT of character? In Terrna law, how sure are you that duelling is universally illegal, hmmm? The death penalty? Assuming you mean the 'realworld' thing.. duelling is NOW illegal. That's a fairly recent innovation. Are you quite sure duelling is illegal everywhere? The death penalty is only recently universally illegal in places like the UK (where, until recently, it was maintained for certain capital offences... although it was not acted upon). And - as the CWFP points out - it STILL is not illegal in the US. It might be worth mentioning 'euthanasia" laws, that vary from nation to nation, but that allow one person to (effectively) 'kill' another. |
| Date | 05:30:38, November 27, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the [OOC] What is FREEDOM??? [In 30 mins. (haha)] |
| Message | (1) First and foremost, I did bridge the gap between IN & OUT of character, b/c the label "OOC" was CLEARLY inserted in the SUBJECT HEADING of the bill!!! Therefore, it is necessary to include "OOC" in every comment since the WHOLE bill is already "OOC" (common sense) (2) To Immerence, I was completely justified in my language of saying ALL countries b/c, remember, I explictly INCLUDED the word "except the following." That just simply means, "with the exception of the 5 countries, the death penalty is illegal EVERYWHERE (else)!!!" (3) Cannablism is not only murder, it is INSANE; Think Jeffery Dahmer [ :( ]. Whether murder is accepted in another culture or not, it can NEVER be justified except in SELF-defense. Cannibalism, however, can be morally acceptable ONLY on the hypothetical condition that you are stuck on a deserted island and there is absolutely NO food. Then again, ethical questions STILL raise b/c how do you determine "who" should be "eaten." (4) Immerence, what the heck are you talking about??? How is property theft??? That is the most irrational statement that I have EVER heard. Why? B/c the very DEFINITION of theft is "the confiscation of someone's property." |
| Date | 06:33:16, November 27, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the [OOC] What is FREEDOM??? [In 30 mins. (haha)] |
| Message | There is nothing insane about cannibalism. There might be health concerns, but pretty much every culture has (at some point in it's long-distant past) eaten it's enemies... and sometimes, it's friends. You might be squeamish about it, but that doesn't make it insane. Quite the opposite. (Indeed, it's worth pointing out that most christian denominations still practise symbolic cannibalism). |
| Date | 14:32:15, December 01, 2007 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the [OOC] What is FREEDOM??? [In 30 mins. (haha)] |
| Message | That this Bill has even been brought to the convocation makes us physically sick. |
| Date | 16:07:54, December 01, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the [OOC] What is FREEDOM??? [In 30 mins. (haha)] |
| Message | And the CWFP have DARED to complain about other parties wasting Convocation time? This is a pointless trivial waste of convocation time, and it won't be a waste of ours. We refuse to endorse this kind of activity by voting either for OR against it. |
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