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Bill: Democracy, Liberty, Zen; Military Disestablishment (Part 2)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Lotus Coalition of the Endless Knot
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2497
Description[?]:
| "We once again put forward our pacifist and Buddhist agenda in the hope of seeing the eradication of all form of armed activity within the Duchy. We remember the glory days of the Keymon military abolition where money was saved and the nation remained secure and we wish to recreate those days and welcome in a new era of peace and prosperity for our island nation." -- Grand Master Masaru Sewqon-Kukai |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Nation's policy with regards to an intelligence agency.
Old value:: The nation has an intelligence agency, but it is limited to counter-intelligence and surveillance of other countries.
Current: The nation has an intelligence agency that is permitted by law to undertake all types of covert operations in other countries.
Proposed: The nation maintains no intelligence agency.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The nation's policy on the separation of the police and the military.
Old value:: A civilian police force is in place, backed up by the military.
Current: A civilian police force is in place and the military may be called in to help in serious emergencies.
Proposed: A civilian police force is in place and the military is not allowed to play any part in it.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:33:00, December 04, 2007 CET | From |  Thanatoptic democracy party | To | Debating the Democracy, Liberty, Zen; Military Disestablishment (Part 2) |
| Message | "We fail to see how this will generate peace and prosperity. though we do acknowledge the potential economic benefits. Perhaps if you could supply proof that this worked in the past, or simply go into greater detail we could possibly see a reason to support this bill. However, we do hope you understand our animosity to support without good reason. If we were to support this I am afraid that the TDP would be called out for being hypocritical, as we thoroughly argued against a simmilar bill that would leave Keymon open for attack. We called this bill a deliberate attempt to undermine national security. I am sure that you can see from whence we derive this belief, but you may have shifted this into a new light for us. I have just one more question for you, our country has a good amount of surplus at this time. Why would we need to shave from the defense industry to pad that, other than the security of having a little room to manuver. And were would we be left in the case of an attack. Those are our main problems with this bill, but given proper evidence you could sway us. I thank you for your time." --James Winters, spokesman TDP |
| Date | 21:38:54, December 04, 2007 CET | From | Thanatoptic democracy party | To | Debating the Democracy, Liberty, Zen; Military Disestablishment (Part 2) |
| Message | "Our curent National Budget is somewhere in the area of 62,540,805 Keymon Dollars. sixty two million five hundred and forty thousand eight hundred and five. or roughly 62.541 million." --James Winters, spokesman TDP |
| Date | 22:41:34, December 04, 2007 CET | From | Lotus Coalition of the Endless Knot | To | Debating the Democracy, Liberty, Zen; Military Disestablishment (Part 2) |
| Message | "We are happy to comment on the concerns of the TDP. Mr Winters as you know we are a small nation with a GDP many times below that of the rest of Terra. Whilst we are prosperous and can support our citizens the fact still remains that on a base level we have less money than others. As such any attempts to build up the military of Keymon, no matter how much effort, time and money has been put in has always failed as we simply cannot match the military size of nearby nations. Yet this should not be construed as a belief in leaving the Duchy unguarded. Instead it has always been the policy of this party to ensure the nation follows a strict path of neutrality thereby, when combined with the benefits many nations gain from using our financial organisations, minimising the risk of attack on our nation. As was shown in the Likaton Crisis, nations such as Hobrazia and Selucia immediately came to our aid and were able to assist in the expulsion of the fascist invaders from the island. Furthermore since then we have brought into play the Keymon Defence Agreement whereby ratifying nations, so far only Jelbania, have been under obligation, not just choice, to defend us if attacked. In conclusion through this path we save money that no matter how well spent will never be able to protect us against bigger nations whilst at the same time making sure our people are safe." -- Grand Master Masaru Sewqon-Kukau |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 30 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 48 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 43 |
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