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Bill: Assist Sekowo
Details
Submitted by[?]: Meritocratic Alliance
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2499
Description[?]:
| We've heard the pleas of the Pan-Sekowo Family Values Party. We know their strife and the situation in Sekowo worsens daily. May I suggest humbly that if we do not work now on sending military forces to bolster them against the lefists hoard. The same could well happen to us, so we must act in this situation. Senators, I call for a resolution of military aid to the Pan Sekowo Family Values Party and it's allies in the civil war, there. We put it to a vote, but we also wish for your thoughts. Sen Marrie Newberry, SRNP |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:15:01, December 10, 2007 CET | From | Pan-Sekowo Freedom Alliance | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | The PSFVP is thankful for this chance to address your legislature directly. We have asked for international assistance, not simply because we need more resources to defeat the leftist extremists, but because this is truley a global issue. This is not about left vs right, this is about democratic process. For decades, the DSP and its allies held a majority in our legislature, and the right to make decisions that comes with it. They pursued a heavy socialist ideology through their laws, that was against the wishes of many of our right win parties, the PSFVP included. Yet despite the fact we did not agree with what was being done, we did not oose faith in democratic process, we went back to our constituences and campaigned for their vote. We won a majority and were able to enact free market reforms, for the good of Sekowo and its overburdened government and economy. Yet when it was our turn in power, the leftists were not as accomodating. Rather than do what we did, and appeal to the people, the leftists have reached for their guns. If they are able to win this civil war, it will set a precedent world wide, that if you cannot gain the things you want when you want them throuigh democracy, open war is the answer. Thus, the leftist extremists in Sekowo represent a threat to democratic process and tradition on a truely global scale. To that end, we ask for your help in defeating them, and restoreing order and justice to Sekowo. |
| Date | 22:51:08, December 10, 2007 CET | From |  Solentian People Party | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | If it is possibly could we delay the vote to allow for a extra long debate, this is an important issue and the one the Foreign Office wishes to explore more throughly. Timothy Cooper, Foreign Secretary |
| Date | 22:56:03, December 10, 2007 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | The current view of the People Party and the Foreign Office at this time is that we simply don't wish to participate in a civil war of another country without discussing the issue with the leftist parties you mention. We feel there is a serious of actions which can be taken before resorting to these drastic and quite dangerous measures. Why might I also enquire have you called on Solentia to help with this problem in particular? Also, I hope to engage in private discussions with your country/party privately and cannot understand why your party as overlapped the stage of discussing this policy with Foreign Office, it seems far too quick cut. Timothy Cooper, Foreign Secretary |
| Date | 23:00:16, December 10, 2007 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | To update you all I am currently engaging in discussions from the Foreign Office on this important discussion with my Foreign Secretary. We hope for the cooperation from all parties on this, put rivalries aside this is an important matter and we hope we can come to some form of resolution. More detailed bullitens to follow after discussions have taken place. Deirdre Wessex, Supreme President of Solentia |
| Date | 23:06:26, December 10, 2007 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | MEDIA BULLITEN Foreign Secretary Timothy Cooper and Supreme President Deirdre Wessex tonight have began talks with major political parties from Sekowo in a bid to discuss military action. It is feared these talks are too late as this issue sprang upon Solentia at too soon a pace. We have yet to hear about these discussions and as far as we know theyare continuing. The discussions shall continue throughout the night. It is believed Deirdre Wessex is furious at military action and is doing her best to prevent this action from occuring. MORE SOON |
| Date | 23:10:46, December 10, 2007 CET | From | New Centre and Unionists | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | The Union for Progression and Devlopment cannot support a war with a nation who has not taken up active arms against Solentia. We shall not endorse the state meddling in the affairs of other nations when it comes to armerment and battle. |
| Date | 23:11:17, December 10, 2007 CET | From | New NationalistParty for Peoples Good | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | so if i have get things right here. PSFVP is a democratic party on the RIGHT, and when they now got the power the parties on the LEFT have started a civilwars. is that correct?? |
| Date | 23:12:26, December 10, 2007 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | BREAKING NEWS The People Party has just announced they will NOT be backing military action and will be lodging their vote of NO in the Senate later on this evening as it is believed negotations began to break down. No more confirmations have been made at this time. |
| Date | 23:49:20, December 10, 2007 CET | From | New NationalistParty for Peoples Good | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | News from thw NNPPGs HQ. after considering this situation this evening we have come up with following: *Solentia will NOT be a part of this civilwars. and we also come up with this: *Solentia will NOT be involved military in any other countries civilwars, it's their problems not us. *Solentia will ONLY send assist to a nation under attack from an other nation IF the other country is a threat to us. |
| Date | 01:12:52, December 11, 2007 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | If the country so chooses, SRNP will commit it's paramilitary volunteer brigades to assist. It will be a pity they be not supported by their fellow countrymen. |
| Date | 05:01:25, December 11, 2007 CET | From | Pan-Sekowo Freedom Alliance | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | Sekowo would benefit greatly from any such volenteers. To answer the new nationalists question, yes that is exactly the issue at stake here. |
| Date | 06:52:11, December 11, 2007 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | And when we are done assisting here, perhaps it will be time to clean up our own house, wiping out the last vestiges of leftism in our own noble Solentia. -Max Bowman ,Party Exarc |
| Date | 08:21:49, December 11, 2007 CET | From | New Centre and Unionists | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | Evidently not Mr.Bowman. -Anna Rochelle, Party CEO. |
| Date | 16:16:26, December 11, 2007 CET | From | New NationalistParty for Peoples Good | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | we must come back to this question after the elections now in september. and yes SRNP, we must fight leftism in Solentia |
| Date | 17:19:35, December 11, 2007 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | SRNP is now committed. I'm sure you all read the news. I read to you this report, but I remind you that we used no state resources in this, and as such the volunteers leaving for Sekowo do not represent the nation of Solentia. More is the pitty: 2200 persons have joined the VAC and have left. The force includes 400 Solentian Q-7 jet fighters. An older jet phased out by the Solentian military, they were removed from storage and refitted for ground attack duty armed with multiple cannons and automatic turreting guns. Two CR-3 cargo planes fill out the roster of the small force. The fighters were bought from the scrap yard and no state funds were used in their purchase or refurbishment. The RNVAC is headed by former SAF Cdr Laurence Grey. We accept any volunteers from other parties, or nonpartisans, to assist us in aiding Sekowo. -Max Bowman, RadNat Exarch |
| Date | 18:26:02, December 11, 2007 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | We have done our best as a party to sort out this problem and engage in disucssions and negotiations, we can do nothing to stop the other countries problem as it looks like the civil war has already begun. Aside from this I am glad it looks likely we have won this vote and that we will not be sending our troops over to another country. Whilst the issue is regretable for the country, it doesn't pose a threat on our country based on the evidence the Foreign Office has and therefore this seems totally stupid. Deirdre Wessex, Supreme President of Solentia. Timothy Cooper, Foreign Secretary of Solentia |
| Date | 18:37:49, December 11, 2007 CET | From | New Centre and Unionists | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | Might I point out that civillians having access to arms and military equipment is highly illegal and as such, any person to be making an attack on citizens or officials of Sekowo will be prosecuted. - Mme.Anna Rochelle, UPD CEO. |
| Date | 19:07:33, December 11, 2007 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | I recommend my distinguisied colleague Rochelle to the laws of our nation: Ownership of guns by private individuals. Adult individuals are allowed to own and purchase guns freely. Weapon concealment Where weapons are carried, this must be done openly Now then, no law broken. We've been invited by a faction The weapons were fitted openly to the Q7 jets. The jets were decomissioned from military service long before the VAC purchased them. The avionics upgrades were approved by the Ministry of Science and Technology. (the rebuilt Q7's are actually Q7-B marques after these upgrades and weapon changes). The technology is not being shared with the faction in Sekowo which we, the SRNP, recognize as the rightful government of Sekowo. If the UPD wishes to try to prosecute SRNP it has not the means to do so. If those WITH the means to do so attempt it, I can assure you we will defend our selves in both court and on the streets. Take that for what you will. In any case, I don't recall seeing many Solentian police in Sekowo. You should be honoring our patriotic fighters, not castigating them in open sessions of this Senate. For shame! Sen Marie Newberry |
| Date | 19:45:15, December 11, 2007 CET | From | New Centre and Unionists | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | Solentian Politics is NOT the place for these drastically crude games. This isnt a battlefield gentlemen, this is REAL HUMAN LIFE. This is the future of hundreds of thousands of Sekowoans, and is nothing to do with us. You cannot simply martch into another nation with a private army. It's unthinkable. |
| Date | 19:47:23, December 11, 2007 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | We answered the call. We intend to save the lives of as many Sekowoans as possible. In fact, perhaps the presense of as many foreign volunteers as possibly might stop the war altogether before they need take part in it. That is what we hope for. |
| Date | 20:22:33, December 11, 2007 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | SRNP If only we were convinved by your wishing of peace. We firmly believe that you are using this war for your own political advantage and nothing more. This country poses no thread to any other country bar their own and this is the only case where our army should be allowed to go to that country and take some form of action with that country. Even then we need approval by the Foreign Office who need to be convinced by this as well as other international assosiations. This civil war is already causing problems for that country without you sending in private RadNad troops. If you were so intent on peace, why on earth would you send in troops as foreign volunteers as surely giving assistance to them would only fuel these issues further. Deirdre Wessex Supreme President of Solentia |
| Date | 20:37:28, December 11, 2007 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | Madame Supreme President, One does not bring about peace with good will. One brings about peace by robbing the enemy of their will to fight, by any means necessary. Even now I have reports from the Flying Tigers that they are setting up base in Sekowo. Moral is high, yet if only they knew that even their own Supreme President treats them almost like brigands, I hate to think how that would make our fighting men feel. The national army is assuredly here in Solentia. Perhaps your voters will approve of that. Perhaps not. There really isn't more to be said about the issue. Sen Helix, SRNP Senate Leader |
| Date | 21:08:39, December 11, 2007 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | I didnt suggest good will, I suggested negotiations and other peaceful forms of resolution and no robbing their enemy of their will to fight will not always do the right thing by people of our world and our nation. Deirdre Wessex, Supreme President of Solentia |
| Date | 21:22:12, December 11, 2007 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | We encourage you to use what is left of your time in office to work the diplomatic channels then. We will use our own methods. |
| Date | 00:45:55, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | The Normand Pluralist Party, as well as the rest of the Sekowo People's Alliance would like to thank the Solentian Radical Nationalist Party for supporting Democracy in Sekowo. We are currently in the Middle of a crisis where the Democractic Socialists and Communists of Sekowo are attempting to overthrow the popularly elected government of Sekowo and replace it with a puppet government which supports their ideologies. Several parties in Sekowo (The Sentinels of Liberty, the Pan-Sekowo Family Values Party, the Archonic Union of Politea, and the Normand Pluralist Party) are striving to ensure that democracy is maintained in Sekowo, but without foreign aid, our task is that much more difficult. |
| Date | 05:32:20, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Pan-Sekowo Freedom Alliance | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | We would also like to express disapointment in your decision on this matter. The Leftist faction is now supported by the Pan-Terra Red Army, as part of their drive to conquer all of Terra for Communism. The SPA (The Rightest Faction) holds a majority in our legislature, so we are really the true government of Sekowo, and ask again for your help. We ask as the elected representatives of the people of Sekowo. Please help us, and PLEASE start a second bill on this matter. |
| Date | 09:13:31, December 12, 2007 CET | From | Solentian People Party | To | Debating the Assist Sekowo |
| Message | The fact of the matter is, the decision to send our troops into your country is evidently not going to happen as it is such an piopular issue. The fact we have had one vote shows excactly how much this country doesn't want this to happen, and no I for one will not be opening a second debate/vote on this issue as I feel it would be a waste of time. Timothy Cooper, Foreign Secretary of Solentia |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 136 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 226 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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| Random quote: “The people's war isn't just a war of destruction, it is also a war of construction. We will build new facilities, new hospitals, new farms. We will seek to improve the lives of the people around us. This struggle will be as costly as the struggle against the bourgeois army, and indeed will be even more damaging to the enemy.” - Comrade X, former Hulstrian politician |