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Bill: Export Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Union Pour une Nation Homosexuelle
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2501
Description[?]:
| The government has no bussiness legislating in this |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the export of weapons to other nations.
Old value:: The government allows arms to be sold only to close allies.
Current: The government allows conventional arms to be exported freely.
Proposed: The government allows all arms to be exported freely.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:10:33, December 14, 2007 CET | From |  Partie Patriotique de Kanjor | To | Debating the Export Act |
| Message | We should sell weapons to our enemies should we? |
| Date | 15:14:55, December 14, 2007 CET | From | Union Pour une Nation Homosexuelle | To | Debating the Export Act |
| Message | There money is as good as anybody elses |
| Date | 15:26:03, December 14, 2007 CET | From | Parti Libertaire | To | Debating the Export Act |
| Message | Besides... do we HAVE enemies? |
| Date | 15:36:16, December 14, 2007 CET | From | Union Pour une Nation Homosexuelle | To | Debating the Export Act |
| Message | one should hope not, |
| Date | 01:07:55, December 15, 2007 CET | From | 2ème PPPP | To | Debating the Export Act |
| Message | Peace and progress have very real enemies. One of them is weaponry. |
| Date | 01:25:08, December 15, 2007 CET | From | Parti Libertaire | To | Debating the Export Act |
| Message | That's interesting logic, PPPP. Essentially, if we freely give weaponry to anyone, they're more likely to become our enemies. Gosh! I wish I was this rational! :) |
| Date | 03:14:27, December 15, 2007 CET | From | 2ème PPPP | To | Debating the Export Act |
| Message | Excuse me, but may I ask what is weaponry used for? I never said that selling weapons to people will make them our enemies- indeed we have very few enemies if any BECAUSE we do not engage in pointless violence or in the distribution of tools of violence. Your libertarianism is fine enough, but when you think that Kanjor should actively distribute means for murder and destruction you should be ashamed of yourself. |
| Date | 03:51:42, December 15, 2007 CET | From | Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD) | To | Debating the Export Act |
| Message | OOC: PU, look at Afghanistan a few years back. |
| Date | 04:43:59, December 15, 2007 CET | From | Parti Libertaire | To | Debating the Export Act |
| Message | We don't promote selling tools of violence, we simply believe in a free market. If we choose not to sell weapons of certain countries over others, we're showing contempt. We aren't stopping them from getting those weapons, they'll simply get them elsewhere. OOC, speaking of Afghanistan... well, there were many more factors involved in THAT, now weren't there? Ah, finally, debate. It's nice to see disagreement in some form different from how we vote. |
| Date | 05:31:11, December 15, 2007 CET | From | Union Pour Un Movement Populaire | To | Debating the Export Act |
| Message | NON |
| Date | 05:51:47, December 15, 2007 CET | From | 2ème PPPP | To | Debating the Export Act |
| Message | We're not showing contempt if we sell arms to no one. I believe you can bring this down to whether one believes in absolutely free enterprise or believes that the purpose of government is to limit the problems and inequality that capitalism causes. This is also an issue of security; if no one receives arms from Kanjor then we send the message that we do not support violence, which should be absolutely true even for our fascists. As I understand the DPUF, they are actually a rather mild group of fascists, seeking authoritarian control in some facets of life in order to maintain conservative values. No one in this senate wants to see Kanjor attacked or for our country to attack others unprovoked. In this cause, the members of this Parti Pour Paix et Progress vote a resounding NON and rest their case. |
| Date | 06:39:24, December 15, 2007 CET | From | Union Pour Un Movement Populaire | To | Debating the Export Act |
| Message | Wait, can we sell these arms to poorer nations engaged in civil war, and watch as we stockpile money, and they stockpile weaponry and civilian corpses? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 70 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 180 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Bill descriptions must be in English, or at least include a full English translation. Bill titles may appear in a language that is appropriate to the nation and are not required to be translated into English. |
| Random quote: "The trouble with practical jokes is that very often they get elected." - Will Rogers |