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Bill: NIPE-Bill 3: Real Soldiers
Details
Submitted by[?]: Conservative Imperial Party (Nazi Party)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2105
Description[?]:
| We don't need sissy's, we need soldiers! |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Military stance on homosexuality.
Old value:: Homosexuality is allowed in the military.
Current: Homosexuality is allowed in the military.
Proposed: Homosexuality is not tolerated in the military. The military actively seeks to remove homosexuals from it.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:23:33, September 02, 2005 CET | From |  Endralonian Situationist Collective | To | Debating the NIPE-Bill 3: Real Soldiers |
| Message | OOC: I believe now that NIPE is actually a pimply-faced teenager. What a stupid, useles stereotype, NIPE. Do you really think that if a man, straight or gay, were a 'sissy,' he would join the military in the first place? I would rather have batalliens of gays defending this country that the pathetic likes of you. Attacks of this kind on minority groups will NOT be tolerated, and this bill WILL NOT pass. NIPE lowers the level of public debate in this country. |
| Date | 11:25:21, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Imperial Party (Nazi Party) | To | Debating the NIPE-Bill 3: Real Soldiers |
| Message | you are against a army, against weapons, so just keep it closed. where is my liberty to not tolerate sick people, called gay? |
| Date | 11:30:52, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Endralonian Situationist Collective | To | Debating the NIPE-Bill 3: Real Soldiers |
| Message | 'army' begins with a vowel, therefore it's preceded by the indefinite article 'an' rather than 'a.' Your liberty not to tolerate 'sick people'? So I suppose we should shut down the hospitals, and gas the disabled? Good suggestion. As for gay men and women, they AREN'T sick. Homosexuality is part of what scientists refer to as 'natural biological difference.' Perhaps you would like to engage on some INTELLIGENT level with the arguments I'm presenting, rather than squawking like a deranged parrot. |
| Date | 11:49:08, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Imperial Party (Nazi Party) | To | Debating the NIPE-Bill 3: Real Soldiers |
| Message | for NIPE, gay men and women aren't natural, they are sick. And sick people should be helped. If necessary, they should be locked up! |
| Date | 12:17:04, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Society of Sadists | To | Debating the NIPE-Bill 3: Real Soldiers |
| Message | And for SoS (n)IPE aren't natural, they are sick. And sick people should be helped. If necessary, they should be locked up! (in parliament?) |
| Date | 12:20:44, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Imperial Party (Nazi Party) | To | Debating the NIPE-Bill 3: Real Soldiers |
| Message | It is your right to think so, as it is mine to believe gays are sick! Or is our great-left winged-gouvernment the one who tells me what to think in all my liberty? |
| Date | 13:01:26, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Society of Sadists | To | Debating the NIPE-Bill 3: Real Soldiers |
| Message | No, we just like to speak up in debate and not feign silence when issues such as these are brought up in the Imperial Senate. And look: democracy in action - this bill will be hammered! |
| Date | 13:06:42, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Party of Questionable Motives | To | Debating the NIPE-Bill 3: Real Soldiers |
| Message | The PQM leaders seems slightly strained when giving his speech on why this bill must pass to preserve the family unit and military capability and erm stuff .... the latest opinion poll on national morality is seen tucked loosely into his back pocket. |
| Date | 13:20:14, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Primus Inter Pares | To | Debating the NIPE-Bill 3: Real Soldiers |
| Message | I don't see the problem with gay people in the army. It is not like they are raping other people. These are just ordinary people who want to defend there country where they live in. And secondly where is the spirit of helping people. If you say that homosexuality is a disease, what I don't believe then you should speak like a real christian and try to help thoose people not locking them up. If you read your bible you can easily see that Jesus helped the people. And God is there for everyone, not just that kind of people with blond hair, blue eyes ... It isn't up to the governement to decide what sort of relations people should have with of course only with mutual consent of both partners. I'm talking now about full grown adults and not children. |
| Date | 14:39:05, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Imperial Party (Nazi Party) | To | Debating the NIPE-Bill 3: Real Soldiers |
| Message | "These are just ordinary people who want to defend there country where they live in. " Let them live in the "pink republic". Endralon needs healty people, not those brain-sick, disgusting assf*cking creatures, that call themselves gay, but are not better as an animal. Pink Republic? Of course, gays have no offspring :) " If you read your bible you can easily see that Jesus helped the people. And God is there for everyone, not just that kind of people with blond hair, blue eyes ..." Sodom and Gomora... missed that chapter? "It isn't up to the governement to decide what sort of relations people should have with of course only with mutual consent of both partners. I'm talking now about full grown adults and not children." paedophiles should be killed! |
| Date | 19:27:42, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Primus Inter Pares | To | Debating the NIPE-Bill 3: Real Soldiers |
| Message | Firstly I didn't miss any chapter. Each person interprete it on a different way. http://www.geocities.com/uthurs_alcove/gay/threetwo.html OOC: And I ask myself why we got a lot of information about gays in our religion classes. I went to a catholique school so maybe the people change. I believe in God but if god discriminates people like that, I won't believe in him. I would add that jesus greeted a woman who was a prostitute. Strange prostitution is sex out of a marriage??? No sex before marriage, so why did jesus accepted that that woman washed his feed? Thirdly I agree that pedophiles should be killed. |
| Date | 20:02:48, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Jesters & Jugglers Party | To | Debating the NIPE-Bill 3: Real Soldiers |
| Message | killing is too use castrate them and torture them to dead ! |
| Date | 20:04:50, September 02, 2005 CET | From | Jesters & Jugglers Party | To | Debating the NIPE-Bill 3: Real Soldiers |
| Message | i meant : killing is too easy |
| Date | 03:28:31, September 03, 2005 CET | From | Endralonian Situationist Collective | To | Debating the NIPE-Bill 3: Real Soldiers |
| Message | This is a civil society, CS, that's a little bit extreme... |
| Date | 16:44:10, September 03, 2005 CET | From | Jesters & Jugglers Party | To | Debating the NIPE-Bill 3: Real Soldiers |
| Message | pedophiles are extreme so an extreme punishment for an extreme offense an eye for an eye ENWM |
| Date | 17:26:19, September 03, 2005 CET | From | NATIONAL UNION | To | Debating the NIPE-Bill 3: Real Soldiers |
| Message | We need as many soldiers as possible. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 5 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 81 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 14 |
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