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Bill: Abortion = Murder / Professional Fire = Fun
Details
Submitted by[?]: Demo-Christian Alternative
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2540
Description[?]:
| Why not take away murder and introduce a little fun in our country?... the people need to live a little more. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the legality of abortions
Old value:: Abortion is allowed during the entire course of the pregnancy.
Current: Abortions are only allowed in medical emergencies.
Proposed: Abortions are only allowed in medical emergencies.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy towards fireworks.
Old value:: Local governments determine fireworks laws.
Current: Professionals may run licensed fireworks shows, small fireworks are legal to the general public.
Proposed: Only professionals may run licensed fireworks shows, fireworks are illegal to the general public.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:41:50, February 27, 2008 CET | From |  Eightfold Party | To | Debating the Abortion = Murder / Professional Fire = Fun |
| Message | Not by us. No way. After this we go into what is the definition of an emergency, and on and on... Oh, and there is the fact that it goes against our moral ideology and all. As for the fireworks, I wouldn't mind it if we had a national law, but this isn't it, in my opinion. |
| Date | 21:19:46, February 27, 2008 CET | From | Demo-Christian Alternative | To | Debating the Abortion = Murder / Professional Fire = Fun |
| Message | Ur saying you agree to the legalistaion of abortion... what about moral standards?? Do you know that younger and younger people everyday are getting sexually active?? and they won't have fear of pregnancies, because there would be abortion schemes... that would mean more STD's... and everything we believe in, and millions of lives that could possibly develop would be destroyed... it's not ethical... it's NOT right... if we let abortion pass as legal, we may as well legalize murder... because abortion is murder |
| Date | 04:23:59, February 28, 2008 CET | From | Eightfold Party | To | Debating the Abortion = Murder / Professional Fire = Fun |
| Message | Eh, when did I say I agree with abortion? I don't. I also believe it is interesting that the health - mental, physical, spiritual, or emotional - of the woman in question is so often brushed off for the rights of an unborn being. Of course I know that younger folk are becoming more active in sexual activities - I'm in high school. Such is blatantly obvious to me. However, this hardly is the first time. Currently in (out of Terra now) African nations it is considered perfectly fine for an older man to marry a fourteen year old girl, and in intercourse ripping the vagina and the bladder, making the girl shunned by public and her family. This same practice is in place in Nepal, Cambodia, and many other places. This, too, was the norm for European cultures up until around 1750 or so. Moreover, in the ancient history of mankind when the average age of survival was at most 35, but usually more around 25, teenagers often had children - according to archaeological findings. These offspring did not necessarily live very long due to the inexperience of the youngsters, but it did happen : Why do you think such is possible in the first place. In addition to this, the ancient tribe of people who lived in a walled city-state known as Jerusalem a thousand or two years before the start of the Common Era (or the birth of Jesus), the marriage of the youth is perfectly fine. If you include all teenagers in the youth more sexually active, then eighteen year olds would such also be included, and people of that age - in the Torah and the Bible - are expected to be at the perfect age of marriage and "Multiplication". At last check, pregnancy shouldn't be something that instills fear into the future mother and father. It is a great endeavor, a cherished responsibility. I don't deny that many people having abortions are without their sins. But they learn from such. That being said, can one think of any person who did not do something wrong in their life, even accidentally? As for STD's - and what I assume is HIV AIDs inferred - not everything would be destroyed and ruined if, by some wacko turn of fate, EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the world was infected (that would be quite a feat). Yes, many nations would be put into problematic situations, but there are medications that let the person infected live at least a respectable life, though much more humble in the world they live in. Personally, I think some humility wouldn't be such a bad thing, though STDs are hardly the best way to achieve it. Also, in Ethiopia a group of women first infected by the virus in the 1980's -maybe fifteen in all - no longer have the symptoms of the disease. When their blood was tested, it turned out that their immune systems created antibodies to the virus and destroyed. Life will go on, people develop resistances, such is survival. Thus, mankind would not come crumbling down in some doomsday event. For possible people that could bring such great things into the world but were killed prematurely : I argue that we to this day do that same thing by supporting oppressive governments that treat their people like farm animals (that in itself being a whole nother speal I could go on, but I won't). The definition of what is Ethical (aka, the morals of the peers' population) or right are most certainly NOT universal. There are a few cores in all of them, but they are few and rare. Even the sanctity of protecting children is and was not universal: The Aztecs would sacrifice them to several specific gods just as they would with adults; children belonging to the lowest castes of the Hindu religion are spat upon; and in the 18-1900's it was the same women whose rights would be trampled by outlawing abortion that fought for getting children out of mines, industrial factories, textile mills, etc. in Europe, the United States of America, Argentina, Mexico, Turkey, Egypt, Australia, India, China, and so on and so forth. Oh, and we already legalize murder by permitting people with apparently questionable moral value obtain guns, with it the ability to take any person's life faster than a heart can beat. In some ways abortion is murder. In other ways murder is the abortion of responsibility. But then again, our bodies systematically kill thousands of bacteria within and outside our body each day, we murder plants and animals to obtain nourishment, and many other things. Personally, I don't like Abortion. I don't think it should happen, but also I don't think I am so above my peers of humankind to think that I can decide what a person should do. |
| Date | 10:00:20, February 28, 2008 CET | From | Progress Party | To | Debating the Abortion = Murder / Professional Fire = Fun |
| Message | separate. Agree to no. 1 but do not agree to no. 2. |
| Date | 18:49:28, March 01, 2008 CET | From | Traviscist Party | To | Debating the Abortion = Murder / Professional Fire = Fun |
| Message | We don't agree with 1 but do agree with 2. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 158 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 142 |
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