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Bill: Diverse Defensive Plan
Details
Submitted by[?]: Social Democratic Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2113
Description[?]:
| My reasons. 1. Less nationalism. 2. More reliability, because not always are nationalized industries are able to have higher standards as those of richer private industries. 3. More options for the government to defend the nation with. 4. More ABILITY for the government to defend the nation with, as they are not limited to whatever the national industry can produce, but rather what EVERYONE can produce. 5. More job availability. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's defence industry.
Old value:: The state owns all defence industries.
Current: Defence industries are privately owned and not subsidised.
Proposed: The state owns national defence industries but these exist alongside privately owned defence industries.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 12:54:08, September 18, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Diverse Defensive Plan |
| Message | 1. this hasn't got anything to do with nationalism 2. most stolen weapons are from private industry 3. ??? 4. ??? 5. Capitalism strifes to as phew costs as possible therefore there will be LESS jobs available. |
| Date | 12:54:28, September 18, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Diverse Defensive Plan |
| Message | the questionmarks were for things i didn't see the logic off... |
| Date | 13:17:02, September 18, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Diverse Defensive Plan |
| Message | ok, i now i see the logic thingy. Still when the private industry creates a product that they wont earn much money with they wont create it therefore creating less diversity. The government could always subsidise lets say for example tanks, even though thanks might not be profitable to build! |
| Date | 13:17:44, September 18, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Diverse Defensive Plan |
| Message | ohw wait have to restate that: we also have national industry, i'll take those back then! Still my other points stand. You cant trust private industry in building such important things! |
| Date | 14:03:19, September 18, 2005 CET | From | Chinkopodian Economic Democrats | To | Debating the Diverse Defensive Plan |
| Message | 1. Nationalised Industry, Commie. 2. A: You haven't rebuked his actual comment. B: Source? 3,4. Remember it's government *alongside* private industry. Also, if the product is one that no-one else is making, then they will build it, as it fills a niche in the market and they may well make a profit. Also, either way it will create more diversity - it will NEVER create less diversity, remember it's nationalised alongisde private. 5. Commie, it will never create less jobs - remember it's nationalised *alongside* private. Also, there are many motives for more workers, and in many ways it is MORE profitable, so you're wrong anyway. |
| Date | 14:53:56, September 18, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Diverse Defensive Plan |
| Message | 1. Nationalism does not mean Nationalised! Nationalism is being proud of ones nation |
| Date | 15:21:50, September 18, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Diverse Defensive Plan |
| Message | 2. it is an example of how it is less reliable, http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=stolen+weapons+from+factory&btnG=Google+zoeken&meta= (say it when you find one that doesn't involve private industry). 3,4. read my later comments 5. it'll still create less jobs beceause there will be less government industry. And then it is off course easy to say there's enough motives for more workers, but the private industry has a lot of reasons to use MACHINES (you know the things that aren't human but do the same work). |
| Date | 17:28:45, September 18, 2005 CET | From | Social Libertarian party | To | Debating the Diverse Defensive Plan |
| Message | We have to pay the private ones, so why shouldn't we own them? They'll be worried about profit, we'll be worried about defending our country. |
| Date | 18:14:56, September 18, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Diverse Defensive Plan |
| Message | Too important to be left to private companies |
| Date | 19:18:17, September 18, 2005 CET | From | Chinkopodian Economic Democrats | To | Debating the Diverse Defensive Plan |
| Message | "1. Nationalism does not mean Nationalised! Nationalism is being proud of ones nation" I'm saying what he MEANS. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 93 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 108 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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