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Bill: Protection of Life Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Rutanian Democratic Forum
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2576
Description[?]:
| Allowing that abortions can be performed during _entire course of pregnancy_ is, in one word: MURDER!, and cannot be tolerated. Bloc Libertaire may be protecting some absurd "right to choice" of women, but what about child right to live? Freedom is and cannot be absolute, and this is very clearly violation of all civilizational norms, and attack to human life. Shame on you, all you who voted for this law. RDF is against abortion, but will propose the law which is not so restrictive. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the legality of abortions
Old value:: Abortion is allowed during the entire course of the pregnancy.
Current: Abortion is allowed during the first and second trimesters.
Proposed: Abortion is allowed during the first trimester.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:04:00, May 08, 2008 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Protection of Life Act |
| Message | Whilst we can understand and respect the position taken by the Rutanian Democratic Forum, we cannot support this bill. The reality is that by making abortion's harder to attain, many women will be - as is demonstrated by historical precedent - forced to opt for backstreet abortions which are liable to be fatal fo the woman. Such draconian restrictions will only lead to a booming street trade in abortions and more deaths amongst women, who do not in the first place opt for abortion lightly. Instead of attacking the use of abortions, we should work to ensure adequate contraceptives, information and support is available to reduce the number of pregnancies which are not only unwanted, but for poorer women, detrimental to their ability to properly get by, i.e. through the inability to work, or the risk of losing their job. We must look at this in a borader context, and ensure greater income equality, greater rights for women, and provide more contraception to men and women. Only this will reduce the number of pregnancies and as such the number of abortions. Not only this, but it will save the lives of desperate women, who, not through any sick or twisted mind set, are forced by circumstance to seek an abortion. |
| Date | 18:06:50, May 08, 2008 CET | From | Rutanian Democratic Forum | To | Debating the Protection of Life Act |
| Message | We agree, but abortion cannot be performed in any circumstances during late stages of pregnancy, because that is killing the unborn human baby. No other political measures, or other "names" ( as "choice") will not alter the fact that there is a human being which is being killed inside his/her mother. The state can establish care system for such "unwanted" children, and we think that this is not only better option, it is also a morally correct option. An "unwanted" baby is by current law simply condemned to death penalty, and why? because his mother doesn't want him. There are couples which want a baby, we already have our adoption laws which are good, why should we then let babies be killed?? |
| Date | 22:36:49, May 08, 2008 CET | From | Commonwealth Party | To | Debating the Protection of Life Act |
| Message | We agree with the RDF. It shouldn't cost much to get birth conrol pills and rubbers. If you can't figure out that you want a baby in 3 months(first trimester), then you shouldn't even have a child. Thats a long enough time to figure out if you want an abortion. Adoption is much more better of a choice than to murder a baby who could be born soon...partial birth abortion is just nast, immoral, and disgusting. |
| Date | 01:18:25, May 09, 2008 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Protection of Life Act |
| Message | Better to have a booming trade of backstreet abortions? We certainly don't think so. We believe abortion ideally ought to be safe, legal and rare, but the way to do this is progressive social and economic policies, and a campaign of mass education and free contraceptives. Restrictive legislation is not the answer, it will just make abortion more dangerous without necessarily reducing it. If you really oppose abortion it would make more sense to advocate the broader based policies we have proposed. The only difference, if this law is passed, is that the number of officially recorded abortions will decrease, whilst the real number will not. This law will do nothing but put more people in harms way. Our policies are likely to genuinely reduce abortion, but through cooperation and support, not restriction and criminalisation. |
| Date | 03:46:15, May 09, 2008 CET | From | Fair and Equal World Party | To | Debating the Protection of Life Act |
| Message | We agree with the Labour Party. The real problem, in our view, is not the abortions themselves, but the tragic events which force a woman to make the choice to have an abortion in the first place. If we wish to truly solve this broad problem of unwanted, unplanned-for pregnancies, we must educate women (and men!), and create an ideal social environment in which abortions aren't necessary. Restricting the legality of abortions will only veil the real problem facing our society, thrusting already-struggling women into the perilous position of seeking help and hope, and finding only walls and barriers put up by their own 'representatives.' It will most likely be hard, but if we can focus our energies on actually helping women out of their predicament, instead of tightening our hold on their heart-wrenchingly necessary choice, we can create a social environment that is wiser, healthier, and better for all Rutanians. And the rights and lives of all Rutanians will be protected. |
| Date | 12:00:21, May 09, 2008 CET | From | Rutanian Democratic Forum | To | Debating the Protection of Life Act |
| Message | Even those unborn? RDF agrees, broader social measures have to be applied, and we are first to vote for it, but here we are talking about KILLING unborn children! And they cannot fight for their own right, for their own right to live! This is not an issue of illegal abortions, this is really a matter of protecting life of ALL Rutanians. Maybe we cannot stop all illegal abortions, although we can give more money to services who ought to control such things, everything combined with good social measures, but if we let the situation as it is, what message do you send to all Rutanians? If you cannot defend yourself, then you can be killed! WIth state approval! If it stays that way, that's not only immoral, that's against everything what our civilization and society ought to protect. EVERY human being has a right to live, we cannot kill someone because he cannot say anything against it. And what about this social measures: adoption? care for such children? You all talk about social politics, and responsible behavior, education and all this, but what about adoption? If some woman has unwanted pregnancy, she can give the child away, and society and the state will ensure that the child grows in good environment. So, there is an alternative. But no, you would rather KILL such children! Yes, it is cheaper, we just pay the abortion and we do not have to care for a child like that... But RDF asks you now: asks youself if you are really human inside, and can you really sleep peacefully, knowing that you allowed to MURDER such unwanted children, inspite their right to live, and inspite the alternative solution, which is adoption and organized care. |
| Date | 12:32:00, May 09, 2008 CET | From | Fair and Equal World Party | To | Debating the Protection of Life Act |
| Message | We, like the RDF, want to protect the lives of Rutanian babies. It is only in how we want to achieve that goal that we differ. Yes, adoption and organized care is an option, and we should educate our people about it. They need to know ALL the options that are out there. Adoption is one of those options - but it is, we believe, only a near-sighted solution. We cannot hope to siphon off these children forever. That will only mask the problem, not solve it. With comprehensive education and social programs, unwanted pregnancies will decrease, (and hopefully cease), and we will not have to worry about what to do with all these unwanted babies because there will not be any. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 173 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 210 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 96 |
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