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Bill: Act for the Seperation of Executive Powers
Details
Submitted by[?]: New-Revolutionary Communist Party (NRCP)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2584
Description[?]:
| In a true democracy, the head of state should be separate from the legislature - that is the parliament and cabinet - since the influence of a President should not extend beyond the actions of a head of state. Politicians are elected to make decisions, not figureheads. We therefore propose that the office of Prime Minister be reinstated to chair the cabinet, and the President should remain simply a head of state and political spokesperson. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State is also Head of Government.
Current: The Head of State is also Head of Government.
Proposed: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:31:47, May 29, 2008 CET | From | Loyalistische Partei | To | Debating the Act for the Seperation of Executive Powers |
| Message | Sorry my friends, our 131 seats pretty much makes this impossible. And in real democracy, people get to elect their leader. In so-called communist democracy, party oligarchs select the leaders instead. The people have no way to know who is going to be their "leader" in this kind of oligrachy. This proposal is not democracy, the current way is. |
| Date | 13:48:56, May 29, 2008 CET | From | New-Revolutionary Communist Party (NRCP) | To | Debating the Act for the Seperation of Executive Powers |
| Message | A Prime Minister is the first among equals. It is illogical to call them the 'leader' - the President still leads and sets the political agenda. It is just nonsense to have that role connected to someone with influence within the legislature also - if one person can set the agenda, chair the cabinet, be the spokesman for both the legislature and the country, and have influence over the careers of politicians within the legislature, then you have ultimate power. However, in the system we propose, the leader of the legislature is voted in by the legislature itself through the vote of forming a cabinet coalition. It is simply not the case that the leader if Parliament is appointed by the party - the candidate is, but ultimately that only matters if one party secures a significant majority; otherwise the other parties invited to form a government will oppose the appointment of the PM. Equally, if the President is a different role from 'head of government', the powers and positions are split in a way which means the legislature is free to vote on decisions without the direct influence of the head of state. A President should be elected as a head of state, where as the Government should be chaired by the 'first among equals' - a leader of the legislature. Let the PM speak for politicians, while the President speaks for the nation. |
| Date | 13:56:58, May 29, 2008 CET | From | Loyalistische Partei | To | Debating the Act for the Seperation of Executive Powers |
| Message | One way we could see the return of Head of Government would be turning Head of State into monarchy and reinstitute the Darntus-Raux family to the throne. But I doubt you will support that, so it shall stay the way it is. It is a common fraud that particracy is refered as democracy, which it really isn't. Particracy is one form of oligarchy, where an political elite decides for the people. In this current presidentially lead government the people get to decide something instead of the parties, thus giving them the power. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 76 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 200 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 25 |
| Random fact: In cases where a party has no seat, the default presumption should be that the party is able to contribute to debates in the legislature due to one of its members winning a seat at a by-election. However, players may collectively improvise arrangements of their own to provide a satisfying explanation for how parties with no seats in the legislature can speak and vote there. |
| Random quote: "No one today can afford to be innocent, or indulge himself in ignorance of contemporary governments, politics and social orders. The national polities of the modern world maintain their existence by deliberately fostered craving and fear: monstrous protection rackets. The 'free world' has become economically dependent on a fantastic system of stimulation of greed which cannot be fulfilled, sexual desire which cannot be satiated and hatred which has no outlet except against oneself, the persons one is supposed to love, or the revolutionary aspirations of pitiful, poverty-stricken marginal societies like Cuba or Vietnam. The conditions of the Cold War have turned all modern societies - communist included - into vicious distorters of man's true potential." - Gary Snyder |