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Bill: Social Assistance Act

Details

Submitted by^[?]: Rutanian Democratic Forum

Status^[?]: passed

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: January 2598

Description^[?]:

To help those who can't work.

Proposals

Article 1

Proposal^[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.

Old value:: There shall be no direct cash payments to individuals to guarantee a minimum income.

Current: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a reasonable, though not high, standard of living by the government.

Proposed: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date	17:03:01, June 24, 2008 CET
From	Federal Rutanian Libertarian Union
To	Debating the Social Assistance Act
Message	We are very likely to vote against this bill.

Date	18:41:07, June 24, 2008 CET
From	Labour Party
To	Debating the Social Assistance Act
Message	In a capitalist system there is always unemployment, because unlike in a socialist system full employment and the welfare of the citiizen is not the goal. As such there are periods of prolonged unemployment, or even permanent unemployment, and introducing merely subsistence level welfare limited to just a short period of time is to ignore the system we live in, and an insult to those in poverty.

Date	21:11:39, June 24, 2008 CET
From	Rutanian Democratic Forum
To	Debating the Social Assistance Act
Message	WHat about people in wheelchair? disadvantaged?

Date	02:48:46, June 25, 2008 CET
From	Labour Party
To	Debating the Social Assistance Act
Message	What about them? I don't follow i'm afraid.

Date	11:29:20, June 25, 2008 CET
From	Rutanian Democratic Forum
To	Debating the Social Assistance Act
Message	They cannot work. As we said in the intro, the purpose of this proposal is to give some assistance to the people who are not able to work.

Date	12:43:58, June 25, 2008 CET
From	Labour Party
To	Debating the Social Assistance Act
Message	If they cannot work, then why only provide them with subsistence level living for a limited period of time? What do they do when that time is up? We will not support a bill which leaves some of the worst off in our society just as badly off.

Date	15:56:12, June 25, 2008 CET
From	Rutanian Democratic Forum
To	Debating the Social Assistance Act
Message	We are ready to change that.

Date	22:47:34, June 25, 2008 CET
From	Labour Party
To	Debating the Social Assistance Act
Message	We will vote for this then. But we believe strongly that government assistance should be above the level of mere subsistence. There is the political will for this with the combined LP, RDF and NPP votes.

Date	01:04:55, June 26, 2008 CET
From	Federal Rutanian Libertarian Union
To	Debating the Social Assistance Act
Message	If we give them a government guaranteed level of income that is above the level of mere subsistence we will end up with a lazy and unproductive workforce and that we cannot have. This bill now creates an environment for that sort of attitude to fester within our society and this should not happen. We were more likely to vote for the previous changes, this new change is just horrible

Date	01:47:50, June 26, 2008 CET
From	Labour Party
To	Debating the Social Assistance Act
Message	The alternative is what? People who cannot work because of disability, or because of the nature of capitalism being left homeless and without any means of eeking out an existence? Not many people will actually do as the LCP suggest, and it is simply a tabloid scare story. But, in all honesty, the Labour Party would be happier to see some abuses of the system, than let people go hungry and go without any means of survival in a society where money is essential merely to survive.

Date	02:27:12, June 27, 2008 CET
From	Imperium Party
To	Debating the Social Assistance Act
Message	The IP disapprove this. It is just another way of wasting money for the goverment. We already have pensions etc. And again, your trying to say that people on wheelchairs cannot work. Your insulting them, just because they are on a wheelchair doesn't mean that they cannot do other tasks that a fully abled person can do, they can work on a cashier.

Date	10:01:56, June 27, 2008 CET
From	Rutanian Democratic Forum
To	Debating the Social Assistance Act
Message	Not all disadvantaged people are in the wheelchair, and not all are able to do even the most easier tasks.

Date	10:02:16, June 27, 2008 CET
From	Rutanian Democratic Forum
To	Debating the Social Assistance Act
Message	Therefore, this law represents an important social measure.

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Voting

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Seats

yes

Rutanian Democratic Forum (143)
Labour Party (134)

Total Seats: 277

Federal Rutanian Libertarian Union (247)
Imperium Party (6)

Total Seats: 253

abstain

The National Party for the People (69)
mrKING Party (0)

Total Seats: 69

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