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Bill: Ratification of the Báyit shél Qapit'alizm — Global Recognition
Details
Submitted by[?]: Freeminded People's Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill proposes for the ratification of a treaty. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2702
Description[?]:
| This bill asks for the ratification of the Báyit shél Qapit'alizm — Global Recognition. If this treaty is ratified, it becomes binding and will define national law. |
Proposals
Article 1
Ratify the Báyit shél Qapit'alizm — Global Recognition.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 02:01:57, July 02, 2008 CET | From | Dranland First Party (CC) | To | Debating the Ratification of the Báyit shél Qapit'alizm — Global Recognition |
| Message | We are suspicious of several articles in this agreement - whilst we certainly wish to respect Báyit shél Qapit'alizm's sovereignity, we do not believe we should enter into any binding international agreements for this purpose. |
| Date | 02:06:43, July 02, 2008 CET | From | National Movement for Civic Democracy | To | Debating the Ratification of the Báyit shél Qapit'alizm — Global Recognition |
| Message | We agree. Is it really neccessary to have all of this for their recognition? |
| Date | 08:08:00, July 02, 2008 CET | From | Sons of Liberty | To | Debating the Ratification of the Báyit shél Qapit'alizm — Global Recognition |
| Message | Báyit shél Qapit'alizm can only be recognized as a sovreign free zone through recognition as outlined in this treaty. Anybody could go out into unclaimed lands and call themselves a country, but only through international recogniztion as a state can it be validated. |
| Date | 09:19:33, July 02, 2008 CET | From | Dranland First Party (CC) | To | Debating the Ratification of the Báyit shél Qapit'alizm — Global Recognition |
| Message | Then perhaps they shouldn't have eliminated their government and reduced themselves to anarchy. As far as the Reform Party is concerned, the Báyit shél Qapit'alizm doesn't even constitute a real nation. That's not to say we endorse a violation of their sovereignity, but we do not accept this agreement, either. |
| Date | 10:57:31, July 02, 2008 CET | From | Sons of Liberty | To | Debating the Ratification of the Báyit shél Qapit'alizm — Global Recognition |
| Message | They never eliminated any government, they're forming a new state on unclaimed land. This state stands on the idea of complete unregulated capitalism without moralists forcing them to act against their own wishes. Surely even if you wish to persecute free people of their liberty in your own country, you don't wish to eradicate the world of their stock? Do you wish them all dead? Complete Sophicide? That there should be no haven, no place in the world for people with these beliefs to go? You so desperately wish for the people who don't agree with you to go away; why then will you not concur to giving them a place to go? Do you expect them all to just convert to your views? Without international agreement that this state is sovriegn, nothing stands in the way of it being claimed by other territorial imperialistic means. It is quite clear that there will be no passing this treaty at this juncture; what of instead a resolution that at least agrees in the Lexate to the recognition of Báyit shél Qapit'alizm as a sovreign state and claim? |
| Date | 15:13:25, July 02, 2008 CET | From | Dranland First Party (CC) | To | Debating the Ratification of the Báyit shél Qapit'alizm — Global Recognition |
| Message | Persecuting free people? The Libertarian Party has misread our intentions. We are strongly non-interventionist, and in fact, we do not believe that our country should involve itself in the problems of other nations in any way. If Báyit shél Qapit'alizm holds unfettered capitalism and anarchy so dear, then let these alleged virtues defend them from foreign invaders. Perhaps this highlights a flaw in their ideology and system - without government they will find it very difficult to raise an army to defend themselves. Whilst we do not wish that other countries invade Báyit shél Qapit'alizm, nor do we, as a party, by any means advocate that Dranland ever infringe on their national sovereignity under any circumstances, we are mainly motivated in voting against this legislation because we do not believe it is our business as a country, nor is it any of our concern. We concern ourselves with matters involving Dranland, and only Dranland. In short, if Báyit shél Qapit'alizm choose anarchy, this will be at their own risk, and their own potential peril. The responsibility that comes with total sovereignity, which is a principal that the Reform Party firmly believes in, is such that a nation should not need every other nation in Terra to sign an internationally binding agreement just to affirm sovereignity. This negates the entire purpose of sovereignity. Regardless of whether the Báyit shél Qapit'alizm was an anarchic, capitalist country, or whether it was a communist country, or whether it was a very conservative country in line with our own party's beliefs, we would always be reluctant to sign an agreement of this nature because it goes against our policy of non-intervention and non-involvement, and staying clear of internationally binding treaties and agreements that limit our own sovereignity. These principals we hold paramount. Our decision to vote against our ratification of this agreement is not made on the basis of our own distaste for the ideologies and anarchy of Báyit shél Qapit'alizm - it is because we believe that nations should look after and defend themselves and their own interests, and clearly Báyit shél Qapit'alizm is not capable of doing so without enormous international treaties. |
| Date | 11:52:29, July 03, 2008 CET | From |  Keymon Capitalist Action | To | Debating the Ratification of the Báyit shél Qapit'alizm — Global Recognition |
| Message | »Báyit shél Qapit'alizm does not need the international treaty to defend itself. You see, a state is not a necessity to defense from foreign invaders. There will, as with anything, be a demand for defense, and the free market fills that gap. Báyit shél Qapit'alizm has existed for half a century thus far without the need of any state to defend it from foreign aggression because, the very first industries to appear were private military defense industries. Everyone in Báyit shél Qapit'alizm, or everyone with any brains anyway, has a property insurance policy, and these insurance companies, absolutely accountable and liable unlike they are in some statist nations, thus hire both private police and private military to defend the property of their customers, lest they take an enormous financial loss when they have to pay back all the compensation for damage during an invasion, as well as the immense loss in profit potential that is inherent with having a government of any kind. Furthermore, should Báyit shél Qapit'alizm have to fight, which it can only do in self-defense (as any preemptive or imperialistic wars would be a violation of the non-aggression axiom, and any military agencies undertaking such initiatives would be shut-down and prosecuted fully for their crimes), the military and the people fight not just for defense of their homeland, but for ideology, and also for immense profit that no one on Terra can get anywhere else because the very existence of a state inherently comes with an immense loss in profit potential. They are far more motivated than any statist military troops could ever be. Even today, the defense industries are the largest industries in all of Báyit shél Qapit'alizm, making up an immense amount of the economy, and effectively making Báyit shél Qapit'alizm the single most densely fortified city on the planet. Were Báyit shél Qapit'alizm to be invaded, it would never stand down to an invasion – the costs of a war against such a place would become ever so prohibitive – in terms of money, resources, and lives – for any government, that it would be far cheaper to end the war as soon as possible and pay Báyit shél Qapit'alizm compensation for any damages, and leave, than to actually finish the war, which would have to involve complete extermination of every living soul in Báyit shél Qapit'alizm and destruction of every bit of property – the remaining land, which would all be utterly destroyed, would not be worth the cost of the war. But this is all besides the point. This treaty is not designed to defend Báyit shél Qapit'alizm; it is fully capable of defending itself, merely as an armed-to-the-teeth conclave of ultra-radical capitalists and a global nuclear power. The purpose of the treaty here before you, gentlemen of the Dranii Lexate, is to establish friendly terms with the people of Báyit shél Qapit'alizm, officially consider Báyit shél Qapit'alizm in world affairs, and to open a state of free-trade with Báyit shél Qapit'alizm, which would make your nation, and everyone in it, immensely, immensely wealthy.« ~Natasha Goldstein (Keymon Corporate Action) Creator of the Treaty OOC: Original player that RPd the creation of Báyit shél Qapit'alizm |
| Date | 12:48:55, July 03, 2008 CET | From | Keymon Capitalist Action | To | Debating the Ratification of the Báyit shél Qapit'alizm — Global Recognition |
| Message | http://www.takeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=185160&mforum=particracy#185160 |
| Date | 03:14:44, July 04, 2008 CET | From | Dranland First Party (CC) | To | Debating the Ratification of the Báyit shél Qapit'alizm — Global Recognition |
| Message | The free trade articles of this agreement are among those we have the most problem with. We believe that such free trade agreements limit our sovereignity and our capacity to craft domestic law in regards to tarrifs and business subsidies, and thus, our ability to protect our workers and domestic businesses and industries. We are happy to trade with Báyit shél Qapit'alizm, but we would not establish a binding free trade agreement with any country, regardless of how strong their economy may be. Dranland's sovereignity must come first. Whilst we acknowledge that trade is often a very beneficial thing to all parties involved, we do not subscribe to the hysteria of globalization in any of its forms. We reject a globalist, inter-dependant economy. Indeed, we reject any globalist, overly internationalist policy. Dranland and its people are our primary concern, and if such economic policy is going to mean the loss of jobs and the failure of many of our own domestic manufacturers and producers, then we would rather not have free trade agreements at all. |
| Date | 22:37:11, July 04, 2008 CET | From | Keymon Capitalist Action | To | Debating the Ratification of the Báyit shél Qapit'alizm — Global Recognition |
| Message | »This free trade economic policy with Báyit shél Qapit'alizm, I assure you, shall create more jobs and businesses in your nation in the long-run that can possibly be done with your "protectionist" policies, and everyone will be richer as well. In fact, you will most likely not even lose jobs in the short-term, as many in Báyit shél Qapit'alizm would outsource to Dranland. You see, the economy has become so robust in Báyit shél Qapit'alizm over the years that, despite no "protection of the workers," the wages and conditions are several-fold higher there than here in Dranland. You would probably gain jobs in the short-term, and, with wise manipulation of your economic policies, eventually pull the power of your economy as close to Báyit shél Qapit'alizm's as can possibly be done in any economy that has a state.« ~Natasha Goldstein (Keymon Corporate Action) |
| Date | 22:37:16, July 04, 2008 CET | From | Keymon Capitalist Action | To | Debating the Ratification of the Báyit shél Qapit'alizm — Global Recognition |
| Message | »This free trade economic policy with Báyit shél Qapit'alizm, I assure you, shall create more jobs and businesses in your nation in the long-run that can possibly be done with your "protectionist" policies, and everyone will be richer as well. In fact, you will most likely not even lose jobs in the short-term, as many in Báyit shél Qapit'alizm would outsource to Dranland. You see, the economy has become so robust in Báyit shél Qapit'alizm over the years that, despite no "protection of the workers," the wages and conditions are several-fold higher there than here in Dranland. You would probably gain jobs in the short-term, and, with wise manipulation of your economic policies, eventually pull the power of your economy as close to Báyit shél Qapit'alizm's as can possibly be done in any economy that has a state.« ~Natasha Goldstein (Keymon Corporate Action) |
| Date | 01:38:32, July 05, 2008 CET | From | Dranland First Party (CC) | To | Debating the Ratification of the Báyit shél Qapit'alizm — Global Recognition |
| Message | Free trade between our nations may create jobs in future, perhaps. But existing jobs, businesses and industries may be at risk, and we are not prepared to sacrafice them for future economic prosperity. The Keymon Capitalist Action says that many jobs in Báyit shél Qapit'alizm would be outsourced to Dranland, but we can not see this as a realistic prospect, considering Báyit shél Qapit'alizm's booming economy. Vulture businesses and manufacturers in Báyit shél Qapit'alizm, who are not subject to any regulations whatsoever, would have the opportunity to run many of our domestic businesses out of the market. Of course, in the long run, this may lead to a more efficient and prosperous economy, subjecting our country to the unfettered capitalism of others, but at what cost? At the very potential cost of our independance, our sovereignity, our autonomy, and of course existing domestic jobs, businesses and industries. We want to retain our sovereignity at all costs, and we are not prepared to sacrafice jobs and businesses to engage in free, unregulated trade. Tarrifs and business subsidies are important in ensuring that our domestic businesses and industries have a reasonable chance at foreign competition, and this proposal would destroy our capacity to level the playing field. We are, of course, very greatful to Báyit shél Qapit'alizm for their most generous offer. But unfettered free trade is against the principals of the Reform Party, and is a large part of our reasons for declining this proposal. We are certainly more than happy to continue trade with Báyit shél Qapit'alizm, provided that we can impose tarrifs on their imported goods, subsidise our businesses and industries, and ban a majority share of any investors of Báyit shél Qapit'alizm in our own domestic businesses. This should not be considered as an insult to Báyit shél Qapit'alizm at all - we would want the same with any other nation in Terra. This is merely about the importance of sovereignity, independance and autonomy, which we assign a greater value than the pursuit of globalist economic ideals. We are adament in completely rejecting globalization in all of its ugly forms, and free trade agreements are the first step in openly welcoming it to our shores. We hope that the Keymon Capitalist Action can understand our concerns. Kind regards, - Lord Wesley Hamptonshire (President of the Reform Party, Prime Minister of Dranland) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes |
Total Seats: 235 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 30 |
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