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Bill: The war time law
Details
Submitted by[?]: Social Revolutionary of Lettonie
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2604
Description[?]:
| Date 18:43:47, July 09, 2008 CET From Teikas un Karzonas Kvasa partija To Dolgavas Republika Message Dear fellows, what we'll do with this? Date 18:23:31, July 09, 2008 CET From (KCCP) Comité Comunista Populare To Teikas un Karzonas Kvasa partija Message To: All Dolgavian Parties The Kerissian Central Communist Party (KCCP) demands that Dolgava joins the United Kerissian Socialist Republic (by ratifying http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewtreaty.php?treatyid=1078), implement all decrees of the Supreme Soviet, and put all of their troops under the control of the Red Army of the UKSR. If Dolgava does not comply, the 2,319,588 troops, 4,639,177 reservists, and 724,569 paramilitary troops of the Red Army of the UKSR will invade Dolgava, and they will easily beat your measly 1,031,934 troops and 2,063,869 reservists, since the Red Army has twice the strength of Dolgava's army, because it is composed of the armies of both Trigunia and New Endralon plus the paramilitaries of the KCCP parties. To prove that we are not bluffing, for every 1% of the seats in the legislature that vote against the Supreme Soviet's decisions, the Red Army will advance ten miles into Dolgava. You cannot win a battle against the KCCP. Comply with the Supreme Soviet, or we will force you to comply. UKSR Commissar for Foreign Affairs, Olga Petrov General Secretary of the KCCP, Vladimir Ilyanov SRL minister of internal afairs and defence minister ask for regime of war time law for Dolgava |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Civil defence is the government's policy on providing shelters to be used in the event of attacks on major cities, mainly nuclear attacks and bombing.
Old value:: Local authorities are responsible for building and maintaining shelters.
Current: Local authorities are responsible for building and maintaining shelters.
Proposed: Every public building is required to feature provisions for civil defence, but there is no requirement for shelters to be open to the public.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The nation's defence industry.
Old value:: Defence industries are privately owned and not subsidised.
Current: The state owns national defence industries but these exist alongside privately owned defence industries.
Proposed: Defence industries are privately owned but subsidised by the state.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding the treatment of prisoners of war.
Old value:: Prisoners of war must be treated well, according to internationally-accepted standards.
Current: Prisoners of war must be treated well, according to internationally-accepted standards.
Proposed: Prisoners of war are treated according to the national laws of the captor power.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the export of weapons to other nations.
Old value:: The government allows all arms to be exported freely.
Current: The government must approve all arms sales on a case by case basis.
Proposed: The government allows arms to be sold only to close allies.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:38:26, July 09, 2008 CET | From | Amatnieku un Jokdaru Partija | To | Debating the The war time law |
| Message | We just voted NO, we do not want to RP war, so we are not playing war. |
| Date | 20:50:28, July 09, 2008 CET | From | Social Revolutionary of Lettonie | To | Debating the The war time law |
| Message | But who defend the Dolgava? Who?? No one want a war, but time to time for escape the war WE must be ready defend himself - not just be rich and produce! |
| Date | 20:53:45, July 09, 2008 CET | From | Jauna partija | To | Debating the The war time law |
| Message | Dolgava must be ready for war |
| Date | 21:17:09, July 09, 2008 CET | From | Amatnieku un Jokdaru Partija | To | Debating the The war time law |
| Message | There is no need for war time law if there is no war time:) |
| Date | 22:33:10, July 09, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the The war time law |
| Message | Official Message from the Government of the United Republics of Lodamun: We have received a request by Dolgava asking our country for help with the current military situation. Lodamun does not wish to enter into any conflict as shown by our declaration of neutrality http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=203773 passed on our legislature by a supermajority. We know of our obligations a members of NATO but that will only take effect only when a declaration of war is passed. We do not have to go to war unles we deem it is necessary. We are looking to stay out of any war across Terra. Thank you President and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces Kyle Truman Prime Minister and First Commander of th Armed Forces Kate Williams OOC: I don't feel like RPing wars right now, I only want to deal with my country's politics at the moment. |
| Date | 02:40:30, July 10, 2008 CET | From | Dranland First Party (CC) | To | Debating the The war time law |
| Message | What on Earth is this? Some sort of Jacobin communist crusade, spreading this rubbish worldwide? What does the ratification of this agreement entail? Is this some way for communist scum to push their depraved ideological rubbish on other countries, by blackmailing them? OOC: From a purely OOC perspective, none of us are interested in an RP war, least of all one which we are already destined to lose. Not interested at all. If you continue on this path and declare war on us, we will not participate in any RP war with you, and so it will be impossible for you to take over the country even if you say you did in RP. Quite simply, even if you say your armies came and took over our country, this will not be true because we will not recognize that the war existed in the first place. And by the way, our country is not called Dolgaria - it's Dranland. |
| Date | 02:51:16, July 10, 2008 CET | From | Free Liberals Party | To | Debating the The war time law |
| Message | There are over 200,000,000 Dolgarians in this country. I'm going to bet that a large portion of that number will defend their homes, their livelihoods and lives vigorously. This is an emergency, not an excuse for every statist to pass interventionist laws. |
| Date | 03:54:48, July 10, 2008 CET | From | National Movement for Civic Democracy | To | Debating the The war time law |
| Message | We will not tollerate a communist invasion. |
| Date | 05:13:31, July 10, 2008 CET | From | Dranland First Party (CC) | To | Debating the The war time law |
| Message | OOC: Besides any of this, there is one major underlying problem with this communist nonsense, and that is the following: we will simply not recognize that the war or invasion ever took place in RP, and so it literally will not have happened. Quite literally, if you want to take over our country, you can't, because this game doesn't cater for take-overs - for you to take over our country you would need to somehow get us to change our own country to allow it, which we would never do. So I'm going to make this really easy for you communist filth, you deranged ideological demagogues: it's not going to happen and you can't do anything to make it happen. |
| Date | 10:08:20, July 10, 2008 CET | From | Dranland First Party (CC) | To | Debating the The war time law |
| Message | Our apologies - we have fundamentally misinterpreted something. We thought that our own country was the one being invaded, and that your country were the ones responsible. Our deepest apologies for this. Forget anything we have said previously. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 13 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 59 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 28 |
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