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Bill: ELECTION OF HEAD OF GOVERNMENT
Details
Submitted by[?]: Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2609
Description[?]:
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:34:11, July 20, 2008 CET |
From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the ELECTION OF HEAD OF GOVERNMENT | | Message | You vote for who you want to be the new HoG. They get to form the cabinet. They also have other powers which can be found in the Constitution. If you want the NBM to be HoG you vote no, if you want the NNFP, you vote yes. |
| Date | 18:11:15, July 20, 2008 CET |
From | Saiserist Consortium | To | Debating the ELECTION OF HEAD OF GOVERNMENT | | Message | This is really pointless since the Constitution is complete BS anyways. Anti-monarchists have the majority, we can make the cabinet now if we want. |
| Date | 18:43:23, July 20, 2008 CET |
From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the ELECTION OF HEAD OF GOVERNMENT | | Message | OOC: No, you don't have 2/3s, you have over half, but none of you have the same view, while the monarchist have one common goal, we want the current government to stay. It is free, allows for many different types of parties to exist, and is just is its rule.
Opposition is welcomed in the Senate. Yet the only thing the anti-monarchist have in common is bring down of this government. One of you wants a Communist dictatorship, which we all know will never happen. Another wants the old Republic back, and a third wants a Socialist paradise, which the government is basically already.
so in the end, if you were ever able to get 2/3s, the only thing that would happen, is that the three of you would be competing against one another, and the rest of us would be united trying to restore the government that the people of this nation installed, to end the bickering of the past government, to finally end the change of government period. This government allows for a Republic to exist along side a monarchy. Now will we be able to keep the Republic Empire as it is now, with the way things are going, and the feelings I have about certain parties here? No, but the fact remains that a compromise will be the best chance that you guys will ever have. You forget that it was the formation fo the IA the bringing together of all the parties here but the NBM, and the leadership of many great men, that allowed this nation, that has done very well, to exist.
So personally I would not mind have the NBM be HoG, for I personally think they would not be bad, for an opposition leader would be great for RPing, but I know what they want to do to a nation that is one of a kind. We are the only nation in this entire game that has the monarch active in the government. We are the only one that have HoG elections, and have a Constitution that is full of details that have guided us for the past 100s or so.
In Conclusion, I will protect that uniqueness that exists here, as long as I am here. I don't want a boring nation, that is another Republic, with another elected official called a President, that sits around and has nothing interesting to it. So Really if you want something unique of your own, go to a different nation, if you want something like another boring Republic, then maybe you should look at the tons of nations that exist out there that are one. We are one of a kind, and the fact that there are those that one it to be gone is just plain sad and depressing. So yes you have the majority, but the majority means nothing when it comes to this nation. This nation is truly the perfection of government, for if this nation were ruled by majority alone, then it would have been a thousand different things by now.
I have to support the Constitution, so if the NBM wins, I have to support their cabinet. That is the oath I swore when I took the job as Emperor, and as a player of this game, it is my duty to uphold my word. Alduria is and forever shall be in my mind and in the mind of all IA members, the Aldurian Republic Empire. Ruled by the Senate and the HoG, but protected by the Emperor who stands tall and proud fighting for the people, protecting the people, and doing whatever it takes to ensure that their will is heard by the Senate. I created this government on those principles, and as long as I play as the Imperial Court of this nation, I will uphold them.
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| Date | 19:57:22, July 20, 2008 CET |
From | Saiserist Consortium | To | Debating the ELECTION OF HEAD OF GOVERNMENT | | Message | I do not want a communist dictatorship...I would love to create a socialist paradise, I would just preserve some morality and tradition. And yeah, just because we don't sit around in shiny purple robes marrying our cousins for strategic reasons doesn't mean we're boring. We can still be unique, and a world power. |
| Date | 20:12:19, July 20, 2008 CET |
From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the ELECTION OF HEAD OF GOVERNMENT | | Message | Name one nation that is a Republic, that is not a Communist nation or a monarchist. That is right there is none, for they all sit around and do nothing. Tell me how will we be unique. No one is like us now, so I don't see how being like another Republic will make us unique. |
| Date | 22:48:30, July 20, 2008 CET |
From | Parti Pour Paix et Progress | To | Debating the ELECTION OF HEAD OF GOVERNMENT | | Message | We are unique by creating history just like this. We're unique because our party names are in French, for God's sake. That alone puts us head and shoulders above most countries, which languish in stupid boring English. We have six territories, for crying out loud! I doubt any other country has that. |
| Date | 00:03:14, July 21, 2008 CET |
From |  Bloc Libéral - Soldats du Kanjor | To | Debating the ELECTION OF HEAD OF GOVERNMENT | | Message | "Name one nation that is a Republic, that is not a Communist nation or a monarchist. That is right there is none, for they all sit around and do nothing. Tell me how will we be unique. No one is like us now, so I don't see how being like another Republic will make us unique."
Ahem, have you forgotten about your little old neighbors to the southeast? The Kanjoran Free State, for one. |
| Date | 00:40:53, July 21, 2008 CET |
From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the ELECTION OF HEAD OF GOVERNMENT | | Message | Well rildanor was made like it for a while, and then it was able to recover and gain back its own style and not one being forced by parties of another nation who think all should be the same. Also, your active outside Kanjor, I have never seen your nation do anything that does not involve you. Your boring. That is what Alduria is going to become, for that is what it was before. |
| Date | 01:41:40, July 21, 2008 CET |
From | Bloc Libéral - Soldats du Kanjor | To | Debating the ELECTION OF HEAD OF GOVERNMENT | | Message | Our stated policy is Kanjoran neutrality, it is a staple of the Free State. However, I have been involved in dialogue with Luthori, Hulstria, Rildanor and Alduria. I didn't need a forum to do that. I was in Rildanor way back in the day when it was the Free Republic of Rildanor and that was when the news articles for Rildanor were actually being updated. We would even make constituency maps after every election to show which seats vote with which party and political intrigue was always part of it.
I was also in Darnussia 4 years ago. I didn't really get much RP but on the forums I proposed both the names "Alduria" for a new nation and "Bendiri" for a region within that nation. I think both names come from Dune and an early script by George Lucas for what eventually became Star Wars. Bendiri being a name derived from Bene Gesserit in Dune which George Lucas was originally going to call the Jedi. So, yeah, Bendiri and New Bendiri are basically Jedi and New Jedi. Alduria is a morphing of Altaria from Galactic Civilizations. Yeah, I was a huge sci-fi nerd back then. |
| Date | 03:00:07, July 21, 2008 CET |
From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the ELECTION OF HEAD OF GOVERNMENT | | Message | This nation is democractic and a monarchy, if you would read THE IMPERIAL CONSTITUTION you would have seen that. This nation is not Saudi Arabia, in fact the ICA has kept it from being a nation like that. Other than the HoS not being elected name one thing that is not democratic in this nation. |
| Date | 06:41:54, July 21, 2008 CET |
From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the ELECTION OF HEAD OF GOVERNMENT | | Message | So I guess that means you can't. Well then it sounds pretty much like a Republic to me. For unless you can show me one single bit of evidence that shows this government and nation is not leaning more to democracy other than the HoS, then your entire bases for this entire act is worthless. |
| Date | 19:35:03, July 21, 2008 CET |
From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the ELECTION OF HEAD OF GOVERNMENT | | Message | What can he do that is so great? If the HoG runs the government, tell me what an elected HoS is doing. He is not protecting the law; he does not have to worry about it, because he is elected. When his time is up he can go off without any worry about the nation. The Monarchy however can not leave, and thus has to give a damn about the law. So they protect it. Still don't see how it is more dictator like than democratic. |
| Date | 19:38:46, July 21, 2008 CET |
From |  Bloc de gauche | To | Debating the ELECTION OF HEAD OF GOVERNMENT | | Message | It strips the people of their right to choose a head of state. When the head of government is chosen solely on the will of the parties and they always vote against the majority party, the NBM is that truly the will of the people?
Free head of state elections allow for the people to choose. You know you could still field the King as your candidate for Head of State and let the people decide whether they want a despotic ruler or a representative of a coalition that supports them. |
| Date | 20:12:28, July 21, 2008 CET |
From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the ELECTION OF HEAD OF GOVERNMENT | | Message | The NBM has not always been the majority. Furthermore up till now they could never have field a cabinet due to their own belief of never allowing an IA member into one. Also the IA members have voted for the NBM before, if you look back at the history records, you would see that. The IA third principle is that a party can believe and vote as he wishes as long as he upholds the constitution. I can force no one to do anything. Also it was discussed in the formation of the Republic Empire whether the HoG should be the largest party, but it was decided that the Senate should have a vote. This place is full of democracy; you just blindly believe it is a dictatorship, when if you read the Constitution it is clearly not. |
| Date | 20:15:10, July 21, 2008 CET |
From | Bloc de gauche | To | Debating the ELECTION OF HEAD OF GOVERNMENT | | Message | You ignored what I said and responded to something completely unrelated.
I addressed the fact that the people select the parties which select the leader.
The people should select the leaders and the parties through
VOTES. |
| Date | 21:01:56, July 21, 2008 CET |
From | New Freedom Party (IA) | To | Debating the ELECTION OF HEAD OF GOVERNMENT | | Message | CRA, how do you call yourself a Christian party, when you are an advocate for socialism and social upheaval, as well as disrespect for the law of the land? |
| Date | 21:42:05, July 21, 2008 CET |
From | Saiserist Consortium | To | Debating the ELECTION OF HEAD OF GOVERNMENT | | Message | I think the better question is how you call yourself a Christian party when you are an opponent of socialism, a system of fairness and equality endorsed by God himself. (Obviously we don't follow Marxist doctrine, he was incorrect about religion, but correct about many other things) |
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| yes | Total Seats: 286 |
| no | Total Seats: 206 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 258 |
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