We are working on a brand new version of the game! If you want to stay informed, read our blog and register for our mailing list.
Bill: Army Reform
Details
Submitted by[?]: Cildanian Nationalist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2625
Description[?]:
| .. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning biological and chemical weaponry.
Old value:: The nation shall never purchase, produce, or store biological or chemical weaponry, for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Current: The nation reserves the right to develop, construct and store biological and chemical weapons.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to develop, construct and store biological and chemical weapons.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of chemical and biological weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weaponry in warfare.
Current: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weaponry in warfare.
Proposed: The nation can only use chemical or biological weapons on non-civilan areas.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The nation's defence industry.
Old value:: Defence industries are privately owned and not subsidised.
Current: The state owns national defence industries but these exist alongside privately owned defence industries.
Proposed: The state owns national defence industries but these exist alongside privately owned defence industries.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Military stance on homosexuality.
Old value:: Homosexuality is allowed in the military.
Current: Homosexuality is not tolerated in the military. The military actively seeks to remove homosexuals from it.
Proposed: Open homosexuality is not tolerated in the military. The military has a "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of nuclear weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare.
Current: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons on non-civilian areas.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the export of weapons to other nations.
Old value:: The government must approve all arms sales on a case by case basis.
Current: The government allows all arms to be exported freely.
Proposed: The government allows conventional arms to be exported freely.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 08:54:21, August 13, 2008 CET | From |  Cildanian Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Army Reform |
| Message | Articles 1,2,3,4,5 and 7 are going to make sure our Army can guarantee safety to our nation , while being moral pillar of society . It also makes sure our Army does not use biological , chemical and nuclear weapons on civilian areas . Article 6 is here to encourage private enterprises and trade . |
| Date | 13:15:50, August 13, 2008 CET | From | Progressive Liberal Party | To | Debating the Army Reform |
| Message | While we _might_ agree to the limited authorization to use MDW on non-civilian areas, and we certainly agree with Article 6 as part of our free-trade ideals, we don't understand, and we won't support, the "official ban" on homosexuality on the military and the relegation of women to non-battle positions. Women have thoroughly shown they are trustworthy in the military, so putting even more handicaps to them is certainly the wrong thing to do. WRT homosexuality, do you _really_ think that a gay jet pilot will be thinking of genitalia instead of his mission? Please... homosexual are not sex-crazed minds (or at least most of them are not, but there also sex-addicted heterosexuals), so we see no reason for the "official ban" with its hypocritical "don't ask, don't tell". |
| Date | 13:43:06, August 13, 2008 CET | From | Cildanian Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Army Reform |
| Message | It says open homosexuality isn't tolerated , don't ask , don't tell . |
| Date | 15:45:56, August 13, 2008 CET | From | Progressive Liberal Party | To | Debating the Army Reform |
| Message | And we say such line of thought is highly hypocritical: even though most people on Terra will most likely have no interest on the sexual preferences of a particular soldier, why should he be barred from telling out loud? Besides, the law you propose does not only forbid _discussing_ homosexuality in the military, it also "formally" bans it. |
| Date | 16:21:06, August 13, 2008 CET | From | Cildanian Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Army Reform |
| Message | And why should homosexuality be discussed . If Terra is valid copy of earth , then most people prefer homosexuals in closet or at least not so exposed in media and I do not see why would Army be exception . |
| Date | 18:25:43, August 13, 2008 CET | From | Progressive Liberal Party | To | Debating the Army Reform |
| Message | Like a quoting in this very game says, "a bill of rights that means what the majority wants it to is useless". In other words, most people preferring homosexuals in closet does not qualify as a reason to limit their freedoms, and particularly to ban its openness about it in the military. Besides, if that was the only freedom-curtailing and demeaning proposal of this pack, we could understand it, but what about the women not going into battle? |
| Date | 19:24:12, August 13, 2008 CET | From | Cildanian Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Army Reform |
| Message | What about it . We believe that women are more usefull in non-battle positions as do many RL Armies . But probably that's least important article in this bill , we highly doubt our battle units will lose too much soldiers or too much women will complain about it . |
| Date | 19:46:41, August 19, 2008 CET | From | Cildanian Imperial Party | To | Debating the Army Reform |
| Message | We support this bill! |
| Date | 23:19:36, August 20, 2008 CET | From | Christian Action | To | Debating the Army Reform |
| Message | and though needless to say, we will not. |
| Date | 06:19:27, August 21, 2008 CET | From | Cildanian Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Army Reform |
| Message | Article 7 (women can only serve in non-battle positions) is removed , and bill is put to vote . |
subscribe to this discussion - unsubscribe
Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 23 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 92 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 95 |
| Random fact: The people in your nation don't like inactive parties. When you often abstain from voting for a bill, they will dislike your party and your visibility to the electorate will decrease significantly. Low visibility will means you are likely to lose seats. So keep in mind: voting Yes or No is always better than Abstaining. |
| Random quote: "Mine is the first generation able to contemplate the possibility that we may live our entire lives without going to war or sending our children to war." - Tony Blair |