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Bill: Discussion: The Emperor
Details
Submitted by[?]: Revolutionary Freedom Party -- KEG SLAM
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 4072
Description[?]:
| A bit of catch-up on the royal family(ies) of Kalistan The position of Emperor of Kalistan, as well as those of other Kalistani nobles, is entirely ceremonial, and has no political power above that of a normal citizen. However, they are not really looked up to or as important socially as in some real world and Terran constitutional monarchies. Generally, they are ignored. The entire system of noble titles really has no relevance outside of the royal family. They are not really revered or looked up to, nor or they generally disapproved of by the average citizen. Think of it as a group of people who have an obscure hobby which basically involves them trading houses around. Additionally: 1) The royal family is huge. Under Kalistani tradition, everyone who is married to a noble automatically becomes a noble. There is no stigma about "marrying a commoner" because they automatically become noble as soon as they marry. Additionally, the Emperor may declare anyone at any time to be a noble. Also, anyone who is the descendant of a noble, legitimate or illegitimate, or anyone who is born to or fathered by anyone married to a noble, legitimate or illegitimate, is automatically a noble. This has always been considered the case, and many old Kalistani nobles were famous for their huge number of children/illegitimate children. Finally, anyone can become a noble by filling out a government form, and adding -Ananto to their name. In addition, anyone who is descended from them is also a noble. Technically, anyone with the name Ananto or the suffix -Ananto on their name is a noble. 1a) This means that 1/3 of the people of Kalistan are technically royalty, being able to trace their line to some noble somewhere, or have filled out a government form to become nobles. Some scholars think that technically it is a higher percentage than that. Some think that by the simple fact of the huge number of illegitmate noble children in former times, perhaps 50% or more of the people of Kalistan could be considered noble. 2) The nobles are divided into two groups: The purple line, and the orange line. The purple line is the one that is more powerful, is currently holding the throne, and is larger. About 2/3 of Kalistani nobles belong to the purple line. Generally, the purple line is somewhat more leftist, and more ceremonial. The orange line in traditionally more conservative. The current top ranking noble of the purple line is Emperor of Kalistan. The current top ranking noble of the orange line is the Prince of Odufaray and Prince of Suldanor (equal in rank). About 1/3 of the nobles are of the orange line. 3) All ethnic groups in Kalistan are represented in both lines, however, some, or some names, or more common in one or the other. Generally, the purple line tends to have more people of Kalli, Pensiah, Vintalli, and Asali descent, while the orange line has more people of Enlii/Lost tribes, Duntrekker, and Fia-Marchan descent. Okay, I understand that a lot of people would not be terribly interrested in keeping track of hte children of a bunch of randy nobles, so I volunteer. I will make the list of Emperors since Antonio XII, and go from there. The way I figure it, each noble will rule from 1-50 years, determined randomly. At each changeover, there is a 10% chance that the crown will pass to a different sub-group of the family. This will also be when there is a chance to switch between the purple and orange lines. Every time the family changes, there is a 2/3rd chance they will be from the purple line, and 1/3 from the orange line. (Note, some lower noble rankings, for RP or history reasons will be always from one line or the other. For example, the Count of Isle of Dunlock (of the coast of Ananto) will probably always be of the orange line, and the Petty Marquis of the Lasha Valley (in Neveras) will probably always be of the purple line. I won't do this for anyone above the rank of Count.) I will determine all of this through a random number generator, or through dice. I will makes lists of names to keep them logical in descent. (i.e. There is a better chance that the person after Antonio XII will be Antonio XIII or Antonia something, and there will be larger numbers with the name as old or powerful Emperors or nobles of that throne. (i.e., Jorge, Pedro, Dionysus, Credo, Ana, William, David, Jethro, etc.) . Any objections? |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:18:10, September 18, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary Freedom Party -- KEG SLAM | To | Debating the Discussion: The Emperor |
| Message | This is what I rolled up so far: 2538-2546 Emperor Antonio XII Antonio Tyreke Ananto (House Jorgone-Ananto, Purple Line) 2546-2575 Emperor Antonio XIIII Antonio Lebbaus Ananto (House Jorgone-Ananto, Purple Line 2575-5625 Emperor Isadoro XV Isadoro Yaotl Ananto (House Pedrone-Ananto, Purple Line) 2575-2589 Emperor Isadoro XVI Isadoro Andoni Reynolds-Ananto (House Reynolds-Ananto, Orange Line) 2589-2530 Empress Susannah VI Susannah Yarah Reynolds-Ananto (House Reynolds-Ananto, Orange Line) 2530- Empress Aleksandra VIII Aleksandra Marunia Huduin-Ananto (House Huduin-Ananto, Purple Line) |
| Date | 04:02:31, September 18, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary Freedom Party -- KEG SLAM | To | Debating the Discussion: The Emperor |
| Message | Correction to the above. Conservative scholars place it at 50% royalty. Some scholars place it as high as 80% descended directly from Jorge I. |
| Date | 16:00:55, September 19, 2008 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Discussion: The Emperor |
| Message | We have no objections, but as socialists, well, we are not entirely supportive of the imperial monarchy either. Since we are not ultra nationalists, we really have zero stake in this affair. |
| Date | 21:15:23, September 19, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary Freedom Party -- KEG SLAM | To | Debating the Discussion: The Emperor |
| Message | Yeah, this is fairly OOC. The royal family has been a long-time RP aspect of Kalistan. I'm just tired of only knowing the name of every 10th one, because I'm writing the wiki. |
| Date | 11:23:22, September 27, 2008 CET | From | Maverick Party | To | Debating the Discussion: The Emperor |
| Message | I say we commission a statute to honor the final Emperor... please direct to front page. |
| Date | 19:14:37, February 04, 2015 CET | From | Party Of Labour Of Kalistan | To | Debating the Discussion: The Emperor |
| Message | Our party, a Marxist-Leninist proletarian revolutionary party, will always object to the subducation of the Kalistani peoples, to medieval anachronistical monarchs! |
| Date | 14:33:48, March 03, 2016 CET | From | Liberal Democratic Party of Kalistan | To | Debating the Discussion: The Emperor |
| Message | As the Liberal Democratic Party we fully support and acknowledge the ceremonial titles granted by the emperor. We would however like to inquire as to the situation of tax relief granted to nobles. |
| Date | 04:22:00, March 04, 2016 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Discussion: The Emperor |
| Message | The Discussion of the Emperor is ongoing. Eventually, when RFP returns, as we predict they will someday, we might be able to finalize this, but for now, under SP, there is theoretically nothing from stopping folks from declaring themselves Emperor. :) There is of course no power that goes with that, but we are sure some decadent nobility enjoys the privilege of the title, and since it isn't hurting anyone, we are for it. |
| Date | 03:54:03, July 01, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Discussion: The Emperor |
| Message | The nobility is an absurd concept and it should be brought to an end once and for all. |
| Date | 17:41:02, July 10, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Discussion: The Emperor |
| Message | Would the recent Establishment of the Republic mean that this bill can be removed or will it be left for historical purposes? |
| Date | 07:58:01, August 08, 2016 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Discussion: The Emperor |
| Message | This bill can stick around for historical purposes, but I will ask the mods to move it to a vote, so it will fall off the list. |
| Date | 21:37:37, August 08, 2016 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Discussion: The Emperor |
| Message | This vote is nonbinding, and has no effective power. It is to move it to the archive. |
| Date | 00:09:05, August 09, 2016 CET | From | National Socialist Terrorist Group (Kali | To | Debating the Discussion: The Emperor |
| Message | what about the House of Isanburg? |
| Date | 01:53:58, August 09, 2016 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Discussion: The Emperor |
| Message | I've never heard of Isanburg? Our Comrades in the RFP were the official historians, and we haven't seated an Emperor since 2530. |
| Date | 23:49:37, August 09, 2016 CET | From | National Socialist Terrorist Group (Kali | To | Debating the Discussion: The Emperor |
| Message | In the second paragraph of the 3rd line, that where we come from and we, the house of Isanburg, claim the throne! |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 660 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 27 |
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