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Bill: New Mordusian Flag
Details
Submitted by[?]: Federal Republican Party (UCF)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2688
Description[?]:
| After negotiations: This will become Mordusia's national flag: 2) http://s451.photobucket.com/albums/qq232/mbitoxs/th_confederatebattleflagalternative.jpg This will become Mordusia's battle flag: 1) http://s451.photobucket.com/albums/qq232/mbitoxs/th_Mordusiaflagmaybe.jpg |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The national flag (URL).
Old value:: http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l91/empyreanimperator/RP/MordusianFlagUpload.jpg
Current: https://i.ibb.co/FbZ9vMQ/Flag-Mordusia4a.png
Proposed: http://s451.photobucket.com/albums/qq232/mbitoxs/th_confederatebattleflagalternative.jpg
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 09:40:54, December 28, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party (UCF) | To | Debating the New Mordusian Flag |
| Message | OOC: Personally, I would prefer number one, it looks better as a national flag, I would also prefer number two as a battle flag. |
| Date | 09:53:13, December 28, 2008 CET | From | Patriciate Imperial League (UCF) | To | Debating the New Mordusian Flag |
| Message | I'm leaning towards the second one, but both would be acceptable. |
| Date | 16:28:56, December 28, 2008 CET | From | Mordusian Austrian Union | To | Debating the New Mordusian Flag |
| Message | I prefer the second one. |
| Date | 18:13:15, December 28, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party (UCF) | To | Debating the New Mordusian Flag |
| Message | Since there is a general agreement that the second one is better, we take that one, both really are fine. However, in that case, I'd like to use number one aas a battle flag :) |
| Date | 19:52:42, December 28, 2008 CET | From | Union Party | To | Debating the New Mordusian Flag |
| Message | We oppose both of these fascist symbols. OOC: The confederate battle flag is offensive. |
| Date | 02:46:40, December 29, 2008 CET | From | Patriciate Imperial League (UCF) | To | Debating the New Mordusian Flag |
| Message | We support the use of the first flag as our battle flag, with the second one as our national flag. |
| Date | 08:40:30, December 29, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party (UCF) | To | Debating the New Mordusian Flag |
| Message | OOC: How is the confederate battle flag offensive? It isnt more offensive than the US flag or the British one or the French one. Nearly all western countries had slaves at a time, nothing makes the CSA worse than them. In fact, the CSA formed to oppose the tyranny of the federal government, there is bsolutely nothing "offensive" about it and if you feel offended, I'm sorry about that but there's absolutely no reason. |
| Date | 09:26:21, December 29, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party (UCF) | To | Debating the New Mordusian Flag |
| Message | IC: As said previously, the socialists shall be ignored. |
| Date | 15:12:51, December 29, 2008 CET | From | Union Party | To | Debating the New Mordusian Flag |
| Message | OOC: Althoguh I deplore the Confederacy, I am not arguing about that now. Today, it is used by neo-Nazi groups. You did not want Hitler as our President, when the now inactive party won, so why is this ok? Perhaps if you lived in America, you would know the controversy. Don't worry, I wont throw a tempertantrum and threaten to go to a different country if things don't go my way though. |
| Date | 15:40:05, December 29, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party (UCF) | To | Debating the New Mordusian Flag |
| Message | OOC: The cross, the American flag, and a whole bunch of other symbols are used by neo-nazis, should we ban those too? Hitler was a historic figure, and the rules of the game state that no RL characters shall be used. Even if you think that our flag ressembles that of the CSA, it is NOT the flag of the CSA, it is different, therefore there is no breach of rules. I am not the one who tried to turn the country into Kafuristan, you might have noted that I respected traditional Mordusian colors. |
| Date | 15:40:58, December 29, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party (UCF) | To | Debating the New Mordusian Flag |
| Message | OOC: Oh and the guy that made Hitler the chancellor ICly did not care about the game, he just wanted to screw it up for the rest of us who DID want to play the game. |
| Date | 18:41:46, December 29, 2008 CET | From | Union Party | To | Debating the New Mordusian Flag |
| Message | OOC: People do not immediately associate the cross or American flag with racism. They DO associate the confederate flag with racism. Also, his being a historic figure was not the main point of your complaint. No one tried to turn the country into Kafuristan, I tried to form it how I wanted it. You did not have the votes then, and threatened to leave, until the others left and you got your way. I do not think it resembles it, I KNOW it does, considering the name presented on the URL link. |
| Date | 08:28:14, December 30, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party (UCF) | To | Debating the New Mordusian Flag |
| Message | OOC: That's strictly YOUR opinion. What if I, for me, the cross is directly associated to the horrors committed by Christian armies during the Crusades? Or the murder of thousands of protestants during the night of St Bartholomew's day? If I, or other people think a symbol is offensive, it doesnt mean IT IS offensive, its only an opinion The main point of my complaint was that an idiot who wanted to ruin the game was being both provocative and offensive, if another party, for RP reasons, had wanted to name one of his characters' Hitler, I would have thought it distasteful but said nothing. Oh and you tried to completely destroy Mordusian culture, thats bad enough for me. And what about the name of the flag, maybe its an alternative version of the battle flag of another confederation or confederacy, such as Switzerland was in the XIXth century. |
| Date | 15:56:06, December 30, 2008 CET | From | Union Party | To | Debating the New Mordusian Flag |
| Message | OOC: You are right. I tried to destroy parts of Mordusian culture. Parts of culture must be dismantled to make way for social change. And maybe it is not an other version, since you argued about it. I see I lost in this vote, but I will not threaten to quit the game or move to a different place. It will just make the next time I get alliesall the more fun. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 182 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 83 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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