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Bill: Smash The State
Details
Submitted by[?]: Anarchist Workers Federation (IAF)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2716
Description[?]:
| Anarchy=Order |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's position towards the administration of law.
Old value:: There are regional courts, but decisions of regional courts may be appealed to national courts (if the right to appeal exists).
Current: There is a uniform system of courts across the nation.
Proposed: There are no courts.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change National policy regarding the desecration of the national flag.
Old value:: The national flag may not be desecrated or dishonoured.
Current: There are no regulations regarding the desecration or use of the national flag.
Proposed: There are no regulations regarding the desecration or use of the national flag.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the organization of police/law enforcement
Old value:: There is a national police department funded by the national government and there are local police departments, funded by local governments.
Current: There is a national police department, funded by the government.
Proposed: The government does not operate or fund any police.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:04:15, February 22, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Restoration Party | To | Debating the Smash The State |
| Message | We cannot support this bill. |
| Date | 09:36:41, February 23, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Heritage Party | To | Debating the Smash The State |
| Message | We cannot support this legislation or any like it - this is ideological superstition at its most extreme. As we have previously stated, never in history has a society existed under anarchist conditions - we have no reason to believe that one ever will, or to believe that such a society would be desirable in the first place. |
| Date | 13:08:39, February 23, 2009 CET | From | Anarchist Workers Federation (IAF) | To | Debating the Smash The State |
| Message | I don't know if you know any pre-history or anthropology but humanity existed in a situation of 'primitive' anarcho-communism for several million years, whereas states and classes only emerged in the last 10,000 years and capitalist property relations within the last 400 years or so. However we do not propose a return to a pre-historic state, rather we wish to abolish coercion and authority and thus allow the full flowering of human intelligence, creativity and freedom alongside all the benefits of modern technology. |
| Date | 21:46:34, February 23, 2009 CET | From | Imperium Party | To | Debating the Smash The State |
| Message | Again, the Imperium Party cannot support this proposal, society changes and evolves - democracy, laws and order was needed and that is what happened, we are not a primitive group of humans living in caves anymore. Veronica Zoratatt IP Leader |
| Date | 09:11:05, February 24, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Heritage Party | To | Debating the Smash The State |
| Message | "...humanity existed in a situation of 'primitive' anarcho-communism for several million years, whereas states and classes only emerged in the last 10,000 years and capitalist property relations within the last 400 years or so." We acknowledge that, prior to the establishment of civilization, humans lived in a state of 'anarchy', but there was a good reason to establish social order, hierarchy and government. The 'AWF' claim that coercion and authority mar the progress of human intellect, and we agree with this to a point - human beings are most productive when left largely to their own devices, and every statist and authoritarian regime in history has been aggressively anti-intellectual, so a correlation could be drawn between excessive state power and the suppression of human intelligence and progress. This is not to say, however, that there is no need for a 'state', properly limited in its power by the constitution. We agree that socio-economic 'classes' - as they are understood in today's society - emerged alongside the concept of property ownership and currency. However, well before any idea of property existed, human beings were still inherently unequal, though in a different regard, and there was always a clear sense of hierarchy in mankind mirrored in every other animal species. The notion that humans once co-existed peacefully in a state of total equality, all working together towards a common goal, without any need for government, is pure fantasy. That such a vision of society could ever be realized simply by removing the state and all organized authority is even more of a fantasy. What would result , in reality, is complete and utter social chaos. Humanity would gradually descend into the animalistic state from whence it came - crime, violence and would run rampant. Among other things, civility, morality, and culture are what separate us from the beasts, and these natural institutions are enabled to develop and exist freely under a government framework, providing the government doesn't interfere with them. If all government was demolished, the many other pillars of human civilization would surely come crumbling down with it. Whilst the 'RHP' firmly believe in a strictly limited federal government, we do not believe that any civilized society could operate without any state whatsoever. Such an ideology threatens the very foundations of our civilization, established through hundreds and hundreds of years of cultural evolution. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 280 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 334 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 85 |
| Random fact: Dorvik is a nation based on Germanic and old Prussian cultures, it is located on the far north of Artania, making it an almost arctic nation. |
| Random quote: "Aristocracy and exclusiveness tend to final overthrow, in language as in politics." - W. D. Whitney |