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Bill: Agenda 2744 : Education
Details
Submitted by[?]: Gluaiseacht Shaoráil DhaonlathachIt
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2744
Description[?]:
| DFM's election platform. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Charter school policy (free, privately run, publicly funded schools).
Old value:: Charter schools must be non-profit and have a specific focus.
Current: Charter schools are not allowed.
Proposed: Charter schools must have a specific focus.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Education for children under adult age.
Old value:: Education is compulsory, but home schooling is permitted.
Current: Education is compulsory, but home schooling is permitted.
Proposed: Education is compulsory and has to happen at school.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Pre-school education.
Old value:: The government maintains a system of free publically owned nurseries alongside heavily regulated private establishments.
Current: The government maintains a system of free publically owned nurseries alongside heavily regulated private establishments.
Proposed: Pre-school education is private, but the government covers the schoolcosts of poor families.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 14:56:31, April 20, 2009 CET | From | Kirlawan Popular Front | To | Debating the Agenda 2744 : Education |
| Message | What is 'libertarian' about compulsory school attendance? |
| Date | 17:00:06, April 20, 2009 CET | From | Kirlawan People's Justice Party | To | Debating the Agenda 2744 : Education |
| Message | KPF, you are completely correct. Much as we in the KPJP oppose real libertarians, the misnamed D"F"M are something far worse yet: they are cruel hypocrites, claiming to want smaller government, yet eager for big intrusive government that they can use to senselessly hurt ordinary people on issues like this. |
| Date | 21:35:59, April 20, 2009 CET | From | Gluaiseacht Shaoráil DhaonlathachIt | To | Debating the Agenda 2744 : Education |
| Message | We have discussed before. Let us say that we believe that the kid's rights are to be protected. They are not free to choose, aren't they. So, that's what the 'F' stands for, colleagues. |
| Date | 21:40:40, April 20, 2009 CET | From | Kirlawan National Party (Leftists) | To | Debating the Agenda 2744 : Education |
| Message | The DFM is a libertarian party that espouses many non-libertarian ideals. Funny. Is the fascism it so opposed influenced it somewhat? |
| Date | 01:01:38, April 21, 2009 CET | From | Kirlawan Popular Front | To | Debating the Agenda 2744 : Education |
| Message | Sorry, but we do not see how parents need to be forced to send their kids to school. If they can demonstrate that they are able to provide education, and if Social Services have no issues, we see no reason for compulsion. |
| Date | 02:00:20, April 21, 2009 CET | From | Kirlawan People's Justice Party | To | Debating the Agenda 2744 : Education |
| Message | We agree with the KNP(L) and the KPF and their statements. The D"F"M are wrong again (not that that's a surprise). "We have discussed before." Well, at least this part is correct. "Let us say that we believe that the kid's rights are to be protected." WE do. You don't. The vast majority of children who are fortunate enough to be homeschooled, PREFER it! And the few who are but do not, are far outnumbered not only by those who do ... but also by many who wish that they could be. (OOC: Me! That's why I feel so overwhelmingly strongly about this issue.) Furthermore, tests and studies have shown homeschooling to provide a higher quality of education overall. Yet another bonus, less important but certainly still nice, is that it's even at a lower total cost, since there's no physical plant to need to maintain. The kids like it, the parents like it, the evaluators like it, the budget likes it, the future of the nation likes it ... but the D"F"M, in their desire to oppress people, naturally hates it, and seeks to senselessly destroy this option. "They are not free to choose, aren't they." Is this intended to be descriptive or prescriptive? If prescriptive, it simply shows again the ugly truth about your party. If descriptive, it is completely inaccurate, if describing the current law. (Of course, it is thoroughly correct if instead describing the change that you would force upon Kirlawans.) |
| Date | 07:23:38, April 21, 2009 CET | From | Gluaiseacht Shaoráil DhaonlathachIt | To | Debating the Agenda 2744 : Education |
| Message | We have been called "fascists" by the KNP-L and now "oppressors" by the KPJP. Your parties unworthy. We respect your points of view, please do the same to ours. Isn't it true that we live in a democracy ? Many voters support our agenda and this House should remember that. So, accept different opinions or do you prefer censorship ? |
| Date | 09:48:23, April 21, 2009 CET | From | Kirlawan Popular Front | To | Debating the Agenda 2744 : Education |
| Message | Political opposition, even if strident, is not 'censorship'. Calling everyone fascists may be juvenile and even counterproductive, not to mention ultimately corrosive, but it's not the same as using the apparatus of state to shut you up. Your arguments will stand or fall on their merits. |
| Date | 14:00:28, April 21, 2009 CET | From | Kirlawan People's Justice Party | To | Debating the Agenda 2744 : Education |
| Message | We, along with millions of homeschooled children, deeply thank the UPK, KPF, and KNP(L) for their help in preserving this essential freedom of the Kirlawan people, and also the KNP(O) for refraining from voting to destroy it. |
| Date | 21:53:34, April 21, 2009 CET | From | Gluaiseacht Shaoráil DhaonlathachIt | To | Debating the Agenda 2744 : Education |
| Message | You've achieved to "educate" kids by pure amateurs. A sad day for the nation, really. We'll try to reform the system another time and give every kid a just chance to be educated well. That's what we call Freedom or is it oppressive fascism ? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 199 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 349 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 169 |
| Random fact: Real-life organisations should not be referenced in Particracy, unless they are simple and generic (eg. "National Organisation for Women" is allowed). |
| Random quote: "Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon so long as there is no answer to it gives claws to the weak." - George Orwell |