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Bill: SRNP 08-2789 1
Details
Submitted by[?]: Meritocratic Alliance
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2790
Description[?]:
| Adjustments to government |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Current: The Head of State is also Head of Government.
Proposed: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: Supreme President
Current: President
Proposed: Lody Protectress of the Solentian Republic, Sarah Belisarius
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:58:14, July 20, 2009 CET | From |  New Centre and Unionists | To | Debating the SRNP 08-2789 1 |
| Message | "We shall assume that this was not intended to be an act of Rebellion against the Supreme President." |
| Date | 20:03:24, July 20, 2009 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the SRNP 08-2789 1 |
| Message | Not at all. |
| Date | 20:04:00, July 20, 2009 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the SRNP 08-2789 1 |
| Message | Indeed if the bill passed we would then support the Centrists for the role of Head of Government |
| Date | 20:08:12, July 20, 2009 CET | From | New Centre and Unionists | To | Debating the SRNP 08-2789 1 |
| Message | "Sarah Belisarius actively worked to split Solentia and against the Supreme President, why should we support her for Monarch?" |
| Date | 20:08:33, July 20, 2009 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the SRNP 08-2789 1 |
| Message | OOC: If you're still interested in the monarchy idea RadNats, talk to me on PM sometime... The Kansars were RPed as the legitimate royal family of Solentia when I was the PTIP still. |
| Date | 20:13:53, July 20, 2009 CET | From | New Centre and Unionists | To | Debating the SRNP 08-2789 1 |
| Message | OOC: Which worked so well. :P |
| Date | 20:13:57, July 20, 2009 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the SRNP 08-2789 1 |
| Message | ic: The SRNP has made no secret of their support of constitutional monarchy. We would be willing to support another candidate for the making of the office. As Sarah Belisarius is past the age of child-rearing, and has no children herself, we felt this would make a choice that would not bring in what is, to some, the spectre of a Belisarius dynasty. We would support someone of the Kansar line, provided that Quanzar did not view such as a pretext to war, as the Kansars do have a legitamite claim to Quanzar, whereas the Belisarii only claim (and do not act thereupon) the region of Terrache. |
| Date | 20:20:00, July 20, 2009 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the SRNP 08-2789 1 |
| Message | OOC: I can't remember exact details but I know that our Kansars were descended from the brother of the Kansar with a claim in Quanzar. So I think there shouldn't be conflict, other than the issue of that I haven't updated anything to do with them since a while ago... I'll dig it up. |
| Date | 20:22:05, July 20, 2009 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the SRNP 08-2789 1 |
| Message | ooc: the whole terra monarchy thing kinda fizzled after awhile, which is fine, but it would be interesting to start it up again. |
| Date | 20:23:56, July 20, 2009 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the SRNP 08-2789 1 |
| Message | The "Royal" House of Kansar The Erythran Enquirer Solentia's popular "royal" family has been ridiculed at times for their claims to the "Throne" of our nation, but where are they now? Victor Kansar shook things up in Solentia by claiming he was the rightful monarchy of the nation, supported by then-parties the Present-Time Imperialist Party, the Kansar Royalist Party, the Conservative and Morality Party, and even the royal monarchs of Quanzar. Then a man in his thirties, Victor Kansar is now almost 52, and a grandfather of 3. So who are these "little nobles?" Edmund Kansar (b. 2679): The "Heir" to Solentia's "Throne," Edmund Kansar has been known as the most public face of the Kansar family. Edmund was educated in Fuwan, and there met his wife, Alisa Bondarenkaya. They have two children, Clare (b. 2704) and Karl (b. 2707). Catherine Kansar (b. 2683): The most legitimately noble of the Kansar children, but even now unable to claim Solentia's "throne" due to her Lutheran religion. Catherine married Heinrich von Rothingren-Traugott, Archduke of Hulstria and potential Emperor there. Their son, Franz, (b. 2703) is potentially the future ruler of Hulstria, but who honestly cares about a nation that far away? Solentia is fine in its little box, just like President Long says! George Kansar (b. 2687): Married young to an obscure member of House Belisarius in Quanzar, George is continuing his education in Lourenne. I don't even know where that is! As we can see, this "noble" family is clearly an unimportant family in Solentia, and their influence in Terra is inconsequential, since Terra doesn't exist. It's a good thing we beat the monarchist movement, if you ask this reporter! (Posted Feb. 7, 2009... Which is something like 2708 in game.) |
| Date | 22:45:29, July 21, 2009 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the SRNP 08-2789 1 |
| Message | This bill seems to lack a certain popularity. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 76 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 349 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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