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Bill: Tax Fairness Acts of 2852
Details
Submitted by[?]: Kirlawan People's Justice Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2852
Description[?]:
| Restoring Kirlawa's traditional and fair tax system, which had sadly been wrecked recently. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Tax percentage of the profit made by corporations.
Old value:: 16
Current: 17
Proposed: 58
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Sales tax on essential goods such as food and non-luxury clothing.
Old value:: 8
Current: 2
Proposed: 0
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Sales tax on luxury goods.
Old value:: 16
Current: 30
Proposed: 10
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:05:01, November 22, 2009 CET | From | Urban Party of Kirlawa | To | Debating the Tax Fairness Acts of 2852 |
| Message | You have our support. |
| Date | 19:38:48, November 22, 2009 CET | From | National Democrats | To | Debating the Tax Fairness Acts of 2852 |
| Message | Opposed. |
| Date | 20:30:46, November 22, 2009 CET | From | National Democrats | To | Debating the Tax Fairness Acts of 2852 |
| Message | It is really funny KPJP calls this 'Tax Fairness', while the proposal would restore the retrograde taxation of incomes (the value of one's effort put into the economy) instead of consumption (basically what one actually takes out of the economy), and raise corporation tax to that mysterious 58% one of the KPJP'S so called economists once read somewhere was the 'ideal rate based on the Laffer-curve' - even though Arthur Laffer himself admitted: "The Laffer Curve should not be the reason you raise or lower taxes" ... Absurd. |
| Date | 22:15:04, November 22, 2009 CET | From | Urban Party of Kirlawa | To | Debating the Tax Fairness Acts of 2852 |
| Message | While we agree with the KPJP's increase of the business tax, we would like to see it reduced in the future to somewhere around 46%. |
| Date | 07:18:38, November 23, 2009 CET | From | Gluaiseacht Shaoráil DhaonlathachIt | To | Debating the Tax Fairness Acts of 2852 |
| Message | Back to communism ? How on earth can the UPK support such a proposal, we wonder. |
| Date | 13:00:16, November 23, 2009 CET | From | Kirlawan People's Justice Party | To | Debating the Tax Fairness Acts of 2852 |
| Message | Any time somebody proposes any fairness for the little guy -- even if it's a restoration of previous fairness which had very sadly been ruined in the meantime -- you can always count on the mercenary mouthpieces of the wealthy and the corporations to endlessly screech about so-called "communism". Whom should be taxed? The middle class and working class and poor citizens of Kirlawa (there weren't any poor here until a few years ago...), or the giant multinational corporations? Assuming that the government has to have revenue -- and even the D"F"M, as extreme as they indeed are, aren't extreme enough to suggest abolishing the government so that it no longer needs any revenue at all (because if they did, then who would enforce the D"F"M's unfair, intrusive, and harassing laws against people's freedoms?) -- the revenue has to come from somewhere. Every KDI collected from a corporation, is one fewer KDI that has to come from an actual human Kirlawan citizen. As for the ND, > that mysterious 58% one of the KPJP'S so called economists once read somewhere No, we discovered it through experimentation, combined with research across Terra. And it is true. If you think you can do better, then go ahead and find some different corporate tax rate which, all else remaining equal, collects more revenue via the corporate tax. We dare you. Meanwhile, UPK, we deeply thank you for your support. However, please realize that it is not a business tax; it's a corporate tax. Small businesses, or at least the vast majority of them that are organized as proprietorships or partnerships, do not pay corporate tax, since they are not corporations. And collecting revenue and thereby lightening the burden on the ordinary people of Kirlawa, is not the only benefit of the corporate tax. It also levels the playing field, removing the unfair advantage (conferred by big money) which global corporate predators wield against Kirlawa's domestic small businessmen trying to make a living. |
| Date | 22:27:36, November 23, 2009 CET | From | Barletonian Party | To | Debating the Tax Fairness Acts of 2852 |
| Message | I can not support this. A change in the corporate tax to 58% will kill small businesses and cause a high rise in unemployment. A progressive income tax will work more soundly to raise money without hurting the entrepreneurs that drive this economy. Not every business is a "multinational corporation" as the KPJP states. Small businesses have put risk on the line to invest in our economy, and we certainly do not want to leave them or their employees out in the cold. Our party therefore votes NEA on the current tax proposal. We are certainly open to debating new policies regarding our tax code, but this act would have dire consequences for the citizens of Kirlawa if enacted. |
| Date | 23:06:41, November 23, 2009 CET | From | Kirlawan People's Justice Party | To | Debating the Tax Fairness Acts of 2852 |
| Message | > A change in the corporate tax to 58% will kill small businesses We have already explained why this is incorrect. Small businesses do not pay corporate tax. |
| Date | 23:15:17, November 23, 2009 CET | From | Kirlawan People's Justice Party | To | Debating the Tax Fairness Acts of 2852 |
| Message | > Small businesses have put risk on the line to invest in our economy, and we certainly do not want to leave them or their employees out in the cold. Neither do we! That is why we're proposing this! The giant corporations are undercutting Kirlawa's small businessmen, and are driving them out of business, via unfair competition. By making the corporations pay their fair share, this proposal will stop them from running roughshod over our small businessmen. > Not every business is a "multinational corporation" as the KPJP states. Correct. However, virtually every business that pays corporate tax, _is_. The businesses that are not, are exempt from this tax. |
| Date | 23:15:23, November 23, 2009 CET | From | Gluaiseacht Shaoráil DhaonlathachIt | To | Debating the Tax Fairness Acts of 2852 |
| Message | The BP is right. This is the communist way of ending private initiatives. This proposal rewards the wrong people! |
| Date | 23:19:16, November 23, 2009 CET | From | Kirlawan People's Justice Party | To | Debating the Tax Fairness Acts of 2852 |
| Message | Any time somebody proposes any fairness for the little guy -- even if it's a restoration of previous fairness which had very sadly been ruined in the meantime -- you can always count on the mercenary mouthpieces of the wealthy and the corporations to endlessly screech about so-called "communism". |
| Date | 23:26:24, November 23, 2009 CET | From | National Democrats | To | Debating the Tax Fairness Acts of 2852 |
| Message | "Any time somebody proposes any fairness for the little guy ..." ... who doesn't like to work and wants a big commie titty to feed him, instead of putting his own effort into the economy can count on the KPJP and their Marxist nightmare of a state - controlling every moment of the life of the poor slaves sustaining it. |
| Date | 23:32:11, November 23, 2009 CET | From | National Democrats | To | Debating the Tax Fairness Acts of 2852 |
| Message | "Neither do we!" Huh! You ruined whole economic sectors, from animal husbandry to fodd industry, from fishing to small local butchers' in your desperate hunt for a vote or two! Proposing fairness for the little guy? Lol, you must be joking! |
| Date | 23:54:46, November 23, 2009 CET | From | Kirlawan People's Justice Party | To | Debating the Tax Fairness Acts of 2852 |
| Message | More typical venom from the ND. You are very predictable, and very useless. |
| Date | 00:28:26, November 24, 2009 CET | From | National Democrats | To | Debating the Tax Fairness Acts of 2852 |
| Message | Do my hon. Friend deny his party's role in banning animal husbandry and the ownership of private cars? |
| Date | 14:00:20, November 24, 2009 CET | From | Kirlawan People's Justice Party | To | Debating the Tax Fairness Acts of 2852 |
| Message | And yet again with the "private cars" issue. You are really fixated on that "private cars" issue. It is not an important issue for us; and it was buried in the midst of a big bill. Regarding that big bill, what were we supposed to do? Just watch, while the ASWP lured away our many pro-environment voters? After the ASWP started going inactive, two parties separately proposed the same bill to repeal that article. Look at our votes: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=270336 http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=270379 Again, it is not an important issue for us. It is apparently one for other parties (having been proposed separately and simultaneously by two parties), so we just went along with the majority. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 305 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 412 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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