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Bill: paying the ministers of religion
Details
Submitted by[?]: Libertarian party of Darnussia
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2135
Description[?]:
| cause we cant let them die and they need an income. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Remuneration of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Current: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Proposed: The salaries and pensions of ministers of religion shall be borne by the state and regulated by the law.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:21:46, October 31, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the paying the ministers of religion |
| Message | We alredy have laws convering this dont we? The minimum wage? |
| Date | 22:32:06, October 31, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the paying the ministers of religion |
| Message | yes, but we cant be sure they'll get payed |
| Date | 22:32:31, October 31, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the paying the ministers of religion |
| Message | As in religious institutions might not make enough money, or they might evade the law. As private companies tend to do. |
| Date | 23:23:30, October 31, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the paying the ministers of religion |
| Message | Well it be illegal if they dont and the worker can ahd should take them to court, with support from the state and the trade unions |
| Date | 03:13:45, November 01, 2005 CET | From | Progressive Democratic Alliance | To | Debating the paying the ministers of religion |
| Message | Err... you know, just because we are secular doesn't mean the clergy won't be paid by their respective religious organizations... |
| Date | 17:47:47, November 01, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the paying the ministers of religion |
| Message | No, but we cant be sure either that they get payd, now do we? And there are enough methods to prevent the minister of religion from going to the court. |
| Date | 18:22:01, November 01, 2005 CET | From | Chinkopodian Economic Democrats | To | Debating the paying the ministers of religion |
| Message | "As in religious institutions might not make enough money, or they might evade the law. As private companies tend to do." Oh shut up. All you can do is scream blue murder over private companies. Don't you see? You are wrong! Wrong! Private companies do not 'tend to be corrupt', or 'tend to be nasty to their workers', or 'tend to make people suffer'. They will not be any of these things - corruption comes with huge risks when discovered which often lead to bankruptcy, and the latter two result in lower productivity on top of the risks that come with corruption. Private Companies cannot afford to be evil. So stop with the accusations. "No, but we cant be sure either that they get payd, now do we?" If they're not payed, then they could....umm......take them to court? And no, the member could easily go to court. Stop talking out of your arse to try and pass this bill. Any religious organisation in their right minds wouldn't pay workers nothing, for fear they bring charges against them or quit. |
| Date | 19:03:25, November 01, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the paying the ministers of religion |
| Message | 'Oh shut up. All you can do is scream blue murder over private companies. Don't you see? You are wrong! Wrong! Private companies do not 'tend to be corrupt', or 'tend to be nasty to their workers', or 'tend to make people suffer'. They will not be any of these things - corruption comes with huge risks when discovered which often lead to bankruptcy, and the latter two result in lower productivity on top of the risks that come with corruption. Private Companies cannot afford to be evil. So stop with the accusations.' Ohw man... your serious heh? You should get a job... 'If they're not payed, then they could....umm......take them to court? And no, the member could easily go to court. Stop talking out of your arse to try and pass this bill. Any religious organisation in their right minds wouldn't pay workers nothing, for fear they bring charges against them or quit.' I dont say they dont pay they're workers anything but possibly not enough. I'll give one example, i work in a reastaurant and in that restaurant there are cooks. The cooks according to law have the right to 1 free weekend a month. Do they get them? No, it's too expensive! |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 23 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 116 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 62 |
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