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Bill: Income tax proposal of June 2909
Details
Submitted by[?]: Hutorian Conservative Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes to change income taxes. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2910
Description[?]:
| The Hutori National Party propose to adjust the government's income tax policy to better address the economic situation of the Most Excellent and Serene Kingdom of Hutori. |
Proposals
Article 1
We propose to alter income tax brackets to the following setup. Information about the current income tax system can be found here.
| Bracket | Tax | Estimated Revenue |
| > 25,000 HLR | 13% | 71,290,000,000 HLR |
| > 45,000 HLR | 15% | 34,241,000,000 HLR |
| > 60,000 HLR | 20% | 48,127,000,000 HLR |
| > 100,000 HLR | 50% | 9,292,000,000 HLR | Total | 162,950,000,000 HLR |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:15:58, March 17, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of June 2909 |
| Message | Rt Hon Countess Moore MP, CLP Finance Spokesman: Mr Speaker, we were a little slow off the mark earlier regarding the Progressives' tax proposal - we did not even realise that they did not hold the Finance Ministry. Mr Speaker, it just shows what chaos this government is in when two different tax proposals have to be presented to the people! Mr Speaker, we commend the HNP for maintaining the stance that the poorest in our society should be exempt from paying tax. However, there is much that is wrong with this tax proposal. First of all, a tax rise on the lowest tax band is completely wrong. Those people are now losing an extra 2c in every HLR that they earn. Whilst it may not seem a lot to the lady, it is certainly a lot to those people on a tight budget. As for the proposal for a 50% tax band, Mr Speaker, it is reprehensible. First of all, it is wrong in any civilised society for half of a man's wage to go straight into government coffers. For what, then is he working? Mr Speaker, it simply will not work. The government will drive the richest in our society into foreign lands. We know how much the HNP love and desire control but unfortunately they cannot control everything. And they cannot control our richest going abroad. They cannot control people deciding not to invest in our businesses because there will be lack of control. They cannot control the fact that this budget will lead the aspiring classes to aspire no more. Mr Speaker, this is the politics of class and the politics of envy, and is not based on sound or prudent financial management. |
| Date | 15:36:54, March 17, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of June 2909 |
| Message | Mervyn Bijai, HNP Leader : Mr Speaker, we did find it strange with a tax proposal from the Progressives considering they do not hold the office of finance. Secondly the 50% tax band is to represent a fairer society. Our priority as a party is to support the working classes and those who are taxed at 50% are overly rich and will be able to cope with the higher tax rate. |
| Date | 16:06:23, March 17, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of June 2909 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, whether they will be able to cope is one thing, whether they will want to cope is a different thing altogether. It must be recognised that our very wealthy already contribute so much to our national coffers. Indeed, without their taxes, much of the public services would suffer. Mr Speaker, as I said, this proposal could drive the wealthy overseas, and we could see their interests diverted elsewhere. The HNP can huff and puff about this, but there is nothing that they would be able to do short of closing the borders entirely, and then the economy is next to dead anyway, as who would want to contribute taxation to such a government? Mr Speaker, this 50% rate is immoral as well as unworkable. |
| Date | 17:08:57, March 17, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of June 2909 |
| Message | Mervyn Bijai, HNP Leader : Mr Speaker, this opposition is simply the CLP defending their own interests. Like the people this budget is after to benefit the HNP is largely a working-class based party. The CLP however prance around adressing themselves by their aristocratic titles, such as Countess Moore their new leader or Marquess Weatherton. They simply do not want to put a 50% tax on their own income. Mr Speaker, the CLP can kick and scream as much as they want, but the HNP is trying to help the people not help themselves! |
| Date | 17:22:46, March 17, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of June 2909 |
| Message | Rt Hon Countess Moore MP: Mr Speaker, what ignorance do the HNP betray of themselves?! I am far from an aristocrat. Indeed, my title of Countess is a life honour only - not hereditary in the slightest. I was awarded it in Duke Craddock's resignation honours, as is his right under the Titles and Honours Act. Mr Speaker, the gentleman should know that I was brought up by a single mother, the sort despised by this government. I lived in a council house until the age of 18 when I started working part-time in a supermarket. I was promoted to a position of management within a year having shown competence in my job. Within another three years I was appointed to the board of the regional directors. Mr Speaker, this is what the CLP believes in - aspiration, ambition and equality of opportunity. Mr Speaker, the HNP should also know that 85% of CLP Members of Parliament are from working-class backgrounds. And with the exception of David Craddock, all CLP leaders have similarly been from such backgrounds. The HNP should stop peddling these myths, because they clearly do not take into account the reality of individuals' situations. |
| Date | 17:46:14, March 17, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of June 2909 |
| Message | Furthermore, Mr Speaker, I am not the Party's new leader. That dubious honour belongs to Mr Douglas Carter, from the East End of Bekenial - another working class lad. |
| Date | 18:00:06, March 17, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of June 2909 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, clearly the point is that they get extra pay for holding these peerages. They just want to avoid the new tax band for themselves! |
| Date | 12:07:43, March 18, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Income tax proposal of June 2909 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, the gentleman does not know what he is talking about. There is no extra pay at all. It is a simple honour - no more, no less. There is no pay at all. It may bring a slight bit of influence in some circles, but there is no pay whatsoever. It is an absurd suggestion to make! |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 164 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 205 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 22 |
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