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Bill: Freedom Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Libertarian Party of Aloria
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2910
Description[?]:
| Getting government out of peoples lives. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards alcoholic beverages.
Old value:: Alcoholic beverages may be purchased only from licensed sales outlets, and can only be available to adults.
Current: Alcoholic beverages may be purchased only from licensed sales outlets, and can only be available to adults.
Proposed: Alcoholic beverage regulations are not imposed by the government.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Health care policy.
Old value:: Health care is private, but is paid for by the state for people with low incomes.
Current: There is a public health care system, but private clinics are allowed.
Proposed: There is a public health care system, but private clinics are allowed.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's stance on vaccinations.
Old value:: The government mandates vaccination for all children.
Current: The government mandates vaccination for all children.
Proposed: The government encourages vaccinations for children, but does not enforce them.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:52:00, March 18, 2010 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the Freedom Act |
| Message | It is sad that every little thing comes down to money in politics. Article 1: So 3 year olds may drink alcoholic drinks now? Article 2: So win a kid gets sick and dies or is about to die and they could have prevented this by being vaccinated but the parents didn't because of religious reasons, that kids death will be on your hands. Article 3: So what about low-income people? We are helping them. We urge that other members of congress vote against this stupid bill for freedom that would soon lead to disaster. If this passes next you will say that anyone should be able to buy a gun even if they were convicted of crimes or even a 7 year old? |
| Date | 20:58:30, March 18, 2010 CET | From | Democratic Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Freedom Act |
| Message | I vote no for the same reason of the peoples party. Alchohal does enough damage on adults but kids! |
| Date | 02:53:18, March 19, 2010 CET | From | Communist Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Freedom Act |
| Message | We vote no because of the first two articles. |
| Date | 21:18:44, March 19, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Freedom Act |
| Message | Well I'm glad both of you have open minds about things.......... I'm also glad that you KNOW that all vaccinations ARE good, and their are no problems with them whatsoever I'm also glad that you don't think parents shoud be the ones who keep their kids from drinking alcohol, but infact YOU should be the one doing so, you seem to know everything don't you |
| Date | 21:21:00, March 19, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Freedom Act |
| Message | And I'm also glad that you know so much about health that you KNOW that nobdoy who would want to open a pirvate clinic would have any idea what their doing.......And that infact it is bad for them to do so |
| Date | 22:22:08, March 19, 2010 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the Freedom Act |
| Message | We don't like sarcastic comments, but will respond back to them. We can not be assured that all parents will not keep their kids from drinking if so we would live in a perfect society without people being taken away from their kids for endangering them. If a parents decides that they can give their 10 year old kid some alcohol and the kid dies because he choked on his own throw up, than us who passed that bill played a hand in his death, maybe indirect but we did. And those parents lost their kids. To say that their are problems with vaccinations is just as well as pointing out that the aloria flag has purple on it. Every medicine has problems with it. So with the small side effect problems are we pose to say oh you don't need this and die? You take freedom to far by handing death out. We do not know everything and you don't either that is shown very well in this bill. -Kyle Stone |
| Date | 01:05:17, March 20, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Freedom Act |
| Message | Nobody knows everything. But it is quite apparent that some know more than others. So really what you're saying is that you don't actually care if some kids parents give him alcohol and he chokes on his own throw up and dies, you just want to make sure that YOU cannot be held responsible. That is what you said. If you don't think so, re-read your comment. Do you think that people are so stupid that they don't know what the effects and risks of drinking alcohol are? And that we need to have government mandates for all of these "unbelievably unaware" people. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of, you know, "stupid" people, (that is quite even just from this argument). But I think most people are smart to know what giving alcohol to child entails. And the people that are stupid or maybe just "bad" enough to give alcohol to their kids, are also stupid or "bad" enough to do it if there is a law against it or not. |
| Date | 01:07:42, March 20, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Freedom Act |
| Message | Rewritten without the errors: Nobody knows everything. But it is quite apparent that some know more than others. So really what you're saying is that you don't actually care if some kids parents give him alcohol and he chokes on his own throw up and dies, you just want to make sure that YOU cannot be held responsible. That is what you said. If you don't think so, re-read your comment. Do you think that people are so stupid that they don't know what the effects and risks of drinking alcohol are? And that we need to have government mandates for all of these "unbelievably unaware" people. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of, you know, "stupid" people, (that is quite evident just from this argument). But I think most people are smart enough to know what giving alcohol to a child entails. And the people that are stupid or maybe just "bad" enough to give alcohol to their kids, are also stupid or "bad" enough to do it if there is a law against it or not. |
| Date | 01:13:41, March 20, 2010 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the Freedom Act |
| Message | You have taken my comments out of text I did not suggest that all I am carrying about is being held responisble for the death. If someone died because of what you propose we would care not because being held responisble because of guilt that we had in the kids death. You should read my comments more clearly. I suggest you be a lot nicer to parties, I am refering to your comments on your other bill about me being stupid and not having common sense and that my head is shoved far up my ass. You can disagree on things with our party and others but attacks like that and comments as well are just plain immature. Thank you. |
| Date | 18:38:54, March 20, 2010 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Freedom Act |
| Message | uuuuhhh......."because of the guilt that WE had in the kids death". That is just another way of saying what I said. Like I said, this law will not stop this sort of thing from happening. Whether it is illegal, or legal, for an parent to give alcohol to their child, if they are going to do it, they are going to do it. You should have read my whole comment. People aren't that stupid, they know what giving alcholo to a child entails. They don't need a law that says it is illegal to do it in order for them to be aware of the that. So effectively, the only possible thing passing a law COULD do, is what I said, to keep you from in anyway thinking you are responsible for it. Not that you would be responsible for it anyways. You just seem to think so for some reason. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 39 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 196 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 65 |
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