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Bill: De-militarization of Ikradon (Maintain Defense Industry)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Mountain Man Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2965
Description[?]:
| Ikradon is a nation of peaceful folks and we've got no quarrel with our neighbors. We see no reason to continue throwin' money into a military that we're never gonna use. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's policy on the separation of the police and the military.
Old value:: A civilian police force is in place and the military may be called in to help in serious emergencies.
Current: A civilian police force is in place and the military may be called in to help in serious emergencies.
Proposed: A civilian police force is in place and the military is not allowed to play any part in it.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the export of weapons to other nations.
Old value:: The government must approve all arms sales on a case by case basis.
Current: The government must approve all arms sales on a case by case basis.
Proposed: The government does not allow arms to be exported.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:52:04, July 04, 2010 CET | From |  Anarcho-Primitivist Concern | To | Debating the De-militarization of Ikradon (Maintain Defense Industry) |
| Message | We cannot support points 2 and 5. We can't cancel our arms industry at a time when we spend hundreds of billions on defence. |
| Date | 21:52:04, July 04, 2010 CET | From | Dark Templar (LL) | To | Debating the De-militarization of Ikradon (Maintain Defense Industry) |
| Message | maybe we could spend less money of defence but these proposals are outrageous |
| Date | 22:11:57, July 04, 2010 CET | From | Mountain Man Party | To | Debating the De-militarization of Ikradon (Maintain Defense Industry) |
| Message | We don't really expect this to pass what with the whole not havin' any representation nonsense. But if removin' one or two proposals changes folks' minds then we'll do that. |
| Date | 22:49:59, July 04, 2010 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the De-militarization of Ikradon (Maintain Defense Industry) |
| Message | So should we eliminate insurances also? How about just stop building and maintaining shelters for natural disasters? Driver's shouldn't were safety belts either, most of them had never had an accident. As the DT said, we could spend less money on defense, but banning it? Outrageous! |
| Date | 00:55:57, July 05, 2010 CET | From | Mountain Man Party | To | Debating the De-militarization of Ikradon (Maintain Defense Industry) |
| Message | Now, don't you go startin' some slippy slope argument with me. War ain't something that just happens, you see it a-comin'. Ain't nobody interested in invadin' Ikradon and we ain't plannin' no invasions either. We ain't killin' off the military, just gettin' rid of the defense industry. They're all just a bunch of war profiteers just waitin' for us or whoever buys their weapons to go to war and make 'em filthy stinkin' rich. |
| Date | 01:04:50, July 05, 2010 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the De-militarization of Ikradon (Maintain Defense Industry) |
| Message | The Defense Industry is state-owned, so it creates jobs for the public, and any profit it makes goes directly to the government, why eliminate this income for the government? It's better than taxing the people isn't it? |
| Date | 09:16:13, July 05, 2010 CET | From | SCI Libertarian-Socialist Syndicate (LL) | To | Debating the De-militarization of Ikradon (Maintain Defense Industry) |
| Message | The defense industry and the standing military of Ikradon are ensured to the people for their safety and security. We shall not allow a bunch of anarchists to disturb our hard-earned stability. |
| Date | 16:14:56, July 05, 2010 CET | From | Art & Labour | To | Debating the De-militarization of Ikradon (Maintain Defense Industry) |
| Message | We support this proposal. What do you mean you want us to "vote for it"? We dont do anything like that.... OOC: Sorry for my semi activity, been having some medical issues that have really precluded me from being properly active. |
| Date | 18:45:39, July 05, 2010 CET | From | Mountain Man Party | To | Debating the De-militarization of Ikradon (Maintain Defense Industry) |
| Message | There ain't no profit for the guv'ment in weapons makin', the guv'ment is its own biggest customer. We spend millions makin' weapons that just go into storage and rust because we ain't never gonna use 'em. |
| Date | 21:04:32, July 05, 2010 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the De-militarization of Ikradon (Maintain Defense Industry) |
| Message | So we should just stop everything? As said earlier, we could spend less, or manufacture less, but banning the defense industry? Outrageous! |
| Date | 22:54:07, July 05, 2010 CET | From | Art & Labour | To | Debating the De-militarization of Ikradon (Maintain Defense Industry) |
| Message | No it isnt. Ikradon doesnt need militarism, and it doesnt need the government to waste other peoples money twice over to not only make weapons but then buy them from itself. Plus, we can waste, sorry, spend money elsewhere and use the manufacturing capacity that would be saved for something more worthwile than merely boasting about all these weapons that we havent used in years and arent going to. |
| Date | 01:19:32, July 06, 2010 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the De-militarization of Ikradon (Maintain Defense Industry) |
| Message | The defense industry isn't only about weapons, but also about emergency shelters, emergency food and supply, and a voluntary military force in case of emergency, be it political or natural. Albeit it doesn't look like something like that could happen anytime soon, we must make sure though that we are prepared for it if it happens. |
| Date | 07:49:47, July 06, 2010 CET | From | Mountain Man Party | To | Debating the De-militarization of Ikradon (Maintain Defense Industry) |
| Message | With elections outta the way, we're going to put this to vote, but we're gonna split the bill so maybe the less controversial proposals can get passed. |
| Date | 18:06:18, July 06, 2010 CET | From | Art & Labour | To | Debating the De-militarization of Ikradon (Maintain Defense Industry) |
| Message | The defence industry is about weapons and legitimised mass murder. The idea that we need defence industries taking the money of our citizens and wasting it on instruments of murder is ridiculous. |
| Date | 04:59:18, July 07, 2010 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the De-militarization of Ikradon (Maintain Defense Industry) |
| Message | The idea that the defense industry is only about arms is quite ridiculous. It is also about the military, which has been a source for respect and people straightening themselves out, and emergency shelter in case of war or other emergencies. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 338 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 412 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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