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Bill: ó Briain Budget April 2978
Details
Submitted by[?]: Coalition for National Unity [CNU]
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes to change the allocation of funds in the budget. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2978
Description[?]:
| The Conservative and Unionist Party propose to adjust the government's spending budget to better address the economic and social situation of the Federal Republic of Solentia. |
Proposals
Article 1
| Ministry | Current Budget | Old Budget | Propesed Budget |
| Head of Government | 0 SOL | 60,000,000 SOL | 60,000,000 SOL |
| Foreign Affairs | 0 SOL | 1,000,000,000 SOL | 1,000,000,000 SOL |
| Internal Affairs | 0 SOL | 100,000,000,000 SOL | 95,000,000,000 SOL |
| Finance | 0 SOL | 70,000,000,000 SOL | 65,000,000,000 SOL |
| Defence | 0 SOL | 250,000,000,000 SOL | 200,000,000,000 SOL |
| Justice | 0 SOL | 90,000,000,000 SOL | 84,000,000,000 SOL |
| Infrastructure and Transport | 0 SOL | 250,000,000,000 SOL | 200,000,000,000 SOL |
| Health and Social Services | 0 SOL | 1,450,000,000,000 SOL | 1,500,000,000,000 SOL |
| Education and Culture | 0 SOL | 1,250,000,000,000 SOL | 1,300,000,000,000 SOL |
| Science and Technology | 0 SOL | 70,000,000,000 SOL | 70,000,000,000 SOL |
| Food and Agriculture | 0 SOL | 50,000,000,000 SOL | 45,000,000,000 SOL |
| Environment and Tourism | 0 SOL | 80,000,000,000 SOL | 70,000,000,000 SOL |
| Trade and Industry | 0 SOL | 60,000,000,000 SOL | 55,000,000,000 SOL |
| Total | 0 SOL | 3,721,060,000,000 SOL | 3,685,060,000,000 SOL |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:54:00, August 02, 2010 CET | From |  Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the ó Briain Budget April 2978 |
| Message | You're destroying our defences. |
| Date | 17:48:28, August 02, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the ó Briain Budget April 2978 |
| Message | "On the contrary, we are defending ourselves in new ways. We are placing further emphasis on foreign affairs and diplomacy rather than arms and weapons. We advocate a strong dialogue with our neighbours that will allow, as you can see hear, higher spending on health and education with equally-as-valuable defences." Ciéran ó Briain, Secretary of State for Finance |
| Date | 20:07:05, August 02, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the ó Briain Budget April 2978 |
| Message | Most areas are recieving cuts. Why is this and could the Minister outline where the specific cuts are going to feature in each department. It seems rather random and ill thought through. How can the goverment expect us to support them, when they won't explain the changes and they won't say where the specific cuts and rises lie in each dept? Jim Fletcher, Shadow Finance Minister. |
| Date | 20:12:15, August 02, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the ó Briain Budget April 2978 |
| Message | We are prepared to listen to the governments logic on these cuts, but it seems totally random and we are particularly concerned with cuts in food, justice, policing, finance and defence. There could be potential serious concequences due to these. We oppose. Jim Fletcher, Shadow Finance Minister. |
| Date | 17:17:51, August 03, 2010 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the ó Briain Budget April 2978 |
| Message | We call upon all patriotic Solentian Senators to vote nay on this apalling budget. |
| Date | 17:46:53, August 03, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the ó Briain Budget April 2978 |
| Message | "It lies within the perview of the independent ministries to determine where cuts or spending lies. This is not some hap-hazard parliamentary system, this is a federal nation and all spending goes through a rigorous localism scene before allocation. Once again, the CUP provide a budget that not only cuts the nation's spending in a sensible manner and allows for future tax decreases but actually improves spending on health and education similtaneously. As every CMP or CUP budget has for the last 200 years. Cuts in the Finance department shall lie primarily with the privatisation of some of the smaller banks, as we have put forward to Senate before and shall be doing again. Other Ministers are then responsible for their own cuts. That has been the system for the last few hundred years and remains the case. I might also add that it is critical that the Solentian public have access to these logs. It is important for them to know that the ACP favour spending and taxation over a balanced system that allows for both, as is being proposed here." Ciéran ó Briain, Secretary of State for Finance. |
| Date | 21:12:03, August 03, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the ó Briain Budget April 2978 |
| Message | Another government bill, another overwhelming defeat in the senate. Does the government expect us to have any confidence in this government? Furthermore, essentially what the Minister is telling us is that they won't tell us where the axe would fall. He says "Ministers are then responsible for their own cuts." As the CUP make up around 50% of the government, perhaps his ministers could have come forward and told us where the specific cuts lay within their own departments. As they didn't tell us why cuts were happening, why rises were happening, where in specific they lay within each department, the minister has to have some intellectual flaw in his political thinking, if he thought any of us could seriously back what has been dubbed by some as the 'worst budget proposal in history.' I have recieved praise from my constituents for voting this down. Jim Fletcher, Shadow Finance Minister. |
| Date | 23:18:12, August 03, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the ó Briain Budget April 2978 |
| Message | "And we have recieved unresounding support from teachers, parents, doctors, patients and nurses. It is a shame that the ACP and others let down our vital public services in favour of guns, war and bureaucracy. The efficiency savings might have even helped the poorest in tax cuts. Alas, the opposition has condemned so many to death by underfunded health services, an aggressive military and poverty." Ciéran ó Briain, Secretary of State for Finance |
| Date | 00:32:41, August 04, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the ó Briain Budget April 2978 |
| Message | There were no proposals on tax cuts or proposals and explanations on where the cuts or rise would lie. How could any vote in favour of something they know nothing about, because the government of the day won't tell them? Utterly stupendous. Jim Fletcher. |
| Date | 13:04:14, August 04, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the ó Briain Budget April 2978 |
| Message | "No promise to cut taxes can be made without the right conditions. The ACP may be willing to risk the taxpayers money and national economic balance but we are not." Ciéran ó Briain, Secretary of State for Finance |
| Date | 19:02:20, August 04, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the ó Briain Budget April 2978 |
| Message | Actually the minister makes a fantastic point, 'no promse to cut taxes can be made without the right conditions' Too true. The right conditions would be HIS FELLOW MINISTERS coming to THIS SENATE to provide the information THEY WONT, because they either cannot be bothered or want to mislead this senate and our public. The ACP makes another correct point, the risk to taxpayers money and the national economic balance. That risk is a real and serious risk, for however long this government remains in power and for however long he remains at the Finance Helm. Jim Fletcher, Shadow Finance. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 12 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 49 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 39 |
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