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Bill: Peoples Justice Act of 3038
Details
Submitted by[?]: Hutorian Conservative Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 3039
Description[?]:
| Reformation of the Hutorian justice system. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The right to appeal against a judgement rendered by a court.
Old value:: All judgements are final and binding; appealing against them is not possible.
Current: Every person has the right to appeal against a judgement and to have it reviewed by a higher court.
Proposed: Every person has the right to appeal to the Minister of Justice to have a judgement reviewed by another court.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Curfew policy (curfew time to be determined in the bill description).
Old value:: No-one may use streets or public property beyond the curfew time.
Current: The national government may impose curfews, but only if a state of emergency has been declared.
Proposed: The national government may impose curfews, but only if a state of emergency has been declared.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The use of torture for obtaining information.
Old value:: It is at the discretion of the police officer to torture suspects for information.
Current: Torture is never allowed.
Proposed: Torture is never allowed.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:07:46, December 01, 2010 CET | From | Republican Party | To | Debating the Peoples Justice Act of 3038 |
| Message | Elizabeth Clements, Justice spokesperson (Conservative Party), Mr. Speaker, Once more we see proposed reforms from the National Socialists that do not go far enough. We support this bill, but the proposed in Article 3 is extremely alarming. The Minister of Justice should not have the power to determine appeals, those appealing against a court ruling should have the automatic right to have their appeal heard by another, or a higher court. |
| Date | 21:48:47, December 01, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Peoples Justice Act of 3038 |
| Message | Rt Hon Viscount Hardy, Home Secretary, Mr Speaker, are these Conservative ever happy with anything? Mr Speaker, they deride our policy and then vote in favour! Mr Speaker, this policy will serve the people of Hutori extremely well. We are re-introducing the right of appeal and the decision taken by the NSC to do so shows we are a progressive government. Mr Speaker, the Justice Secretary will determine whether the appeal is a waste of time or has a genuine chance of success. This will help lighten the load on the justice system and not overload the system. Mr Speaker, i am alarmed by the line taken by the Conservative Party. All they have proven in their short time in Hutorian politics is that they are incredibly naive. They condemn international treaties....but they are currently voting in favour of one right now. They critisise this Bill and the NSC reforms.....but yet again they vote in favour. Mr Speaker, they dismiss the NSC and Labour Party as nonsensical socialists but i think that after the next election if they need our support to form a government...they will beg our party to enter into a coalition with them, and Mr Speaker, that would be a complete nonsense! |
| Date | 22:27:23, December 01, 2010 CET | From | Republican Party | To | Debating the Peoples Justice Act of 3038 |
| Message | Elizabeth Clements, Justice spokesperson (Conservative Party), Mr. Speaker, Do the National Socialists never listen? Our vote makes no difference anyway as we have 0 seats, like every other party than yours in Hutori for that matter. We have to vote in favour as we support the two of the three pieces of legislation in this bill but must make it clear to the electorate what we do and do not agree with. Giving the Minister of Justice so much power isn't right and will slow down the justice system as he or she is bound to be overloaded with requests. In addition, giving important decisions to the Minister of Justice will put a huge amount on pressure on him or her, poor decisions, should they occur would have a damaging effect on the government. Mr. Speaker, both the Hutori National-Socialist Congress and the Labour Party both follow a perverted form of socialism, that arguably, is not socialism. The latter comment by the right honourable gentleman seems like an already desperate offer to our party to prop them up in a government. We would certainly not co-operate with such diluded politicians in government. Mr. Speaker, how many times do members from my party have to repeat the following: we currently have 0 seats in Parliament, thus our vote does not count, therefore we hold no influence, the case would be otherwise if we had seats in Parliament regarding the way our party votes. |
| Date | 22:33:53, December 01, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Peoples Justice Act of 3038 |
| Message | Rt Hon Viscount Hardy, Home Secretary, Mr Speaker, it is not about their vote not counting its a matter of principal! Mr Speaker, the Conservatives are just decieving the electorate in order to try and scrape a few votes together for their already doomed electoral campaign. Mr Speaker, perhaps if the Conservatives knew their history they would know that the Labour Party and the NSC have never seen eye to eye. However the NSC and the Labour Party are the only two parties currently in Hutori to ever hold the office of Prime Minister. The more slanderous the Conservatives are of Socialism - the closer it pushes our parties together into a pro-socialist coalition. Mr Speaker, for the record i can categorically state that no matter what happens in the next general election the NSC will not offer the Conservatives any sort of coalition deal. |
| Date | 22:46:00, December 01, 2010 CET | From | Republican Party | To | Debating the Peoples Justice Act of 3038 |
| Message | George Oldfield, Leader of the Conservative Party, Mr. Speaker, Let me repeat this again, for it obviously did not sink in: we support two of the three proposals and therefore must vote in favour. Mr. Speaker, gaining 1 seat in a dictatorship would be a victory for us, any more than that would be a victory for us. Considering our party is not 1 year old yet, we feel our party, and our campaign, is going extremely well and your party are fully aware of this. Mr. Speaker, we do not oppose socialism, in fact, we are sympathetic towards its cause as currently in Hutori we have two parties that are making a complete laughing stock out of a potentially workable and just ideology. We are frankly not interested in the HNSC-Labour love affair. Right Honourable Home Secretary, may I inform you anyway that if your party had offered our party the position of Head of Government we would have declined. The Conservatives will never co-operate with a party like your's in the interests of Hutori and her people. |
| Date | 00:33:44, December 02, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Peoples Justice Act of 3038 |
| Message | Rt Hon Viscount Hardy, Home Secretary, Mr Speaker, we welcome the Conservatives statement and we also take it - from their derogitory comments - they will not coalese with the Labour Party either. I mean they reffered to ourselves and the Labour Party as a "laughing stock". Mr Speaker, i hope that i never see the day when a member of this Tory party is Prime Minister in Hutori. We truly will be in trouble then..... |
| Date | 08:28:56, December 02, 2010 CET | From | Republican Party | To | Debating the Peoples Justice Act of 3038 |
| Message | George Oldfield, Leader of the Conservative Party, Mr. Speaker, Do I really need to comment? Your party is already trying to appeal to the Labour Party, this is sheer desperation. The HNSC is so desperate to stay in power that they are already trying to form a coalition 2 years before the election! |
| Date | 11:21:05, December 02, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Peoples Justice Act of 3038 |
| Message | Rt Hon Viscount Hardy, Home Secretary, Mr Speaker, it shows our party actually cares about what happens to this country. It has nothing to do with desperation! The simple fact is that we are finding who our potential allies are and they certainly dont include the Conservatives. |
| Date | 11:37:50, December 02, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Workers Party (LL) | To | Debating the Peoples Justice Act of 3038 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, this Act is a welcome step forward from a tyrannical system. We want these reforms to go further however. |
| Date | 16:48:09, December 02, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Peoples Justice Act of 3038 |
| Message | Rt Hon Viscount Hardy, Home Secretary, Mr Speaker, we say to the HWP the same we said to the Conservatives. These are more than adequate reforms and the Hutorian people will be more than pleased with the contents of these Bills. |
| Date | 18:48:20, December 02, 2010 CET | From | Republican Party | To | Debating the Peoples Justice Act of 3038 |
| Message | George Oldfield, Leader of the Conservative Party, Mr. Speaker, We sincerely look forward to a HNSC-Labour government. The more you destroy Hutori the better you'll make the Conservatives look when we're left to mop up your mess. |
| Date | 22:54:31, December 02, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Peoples Justice Act of 3038 |
| Message | Rt Hon Karl Harrod, Prime Minister, Mr Speaker, the NSC, Labour and possibly now the Workers Party will save Hutori from the CLP, and Conservatives Capitalist agenda. The Tories will be in the political wilderness for many years to come. |
| Date | 23:12:12, December 02, 2010 CET | From | Republican Party | To | Debating the Peoples Justice Act of 3038 |
| Message | George Oldfield, Leader of the Conservative Party, Mr. Speaker, Bold words. There is more to politics than economic policy. Our party shares more in common with the average socialist party than yours, a sad reflection on your party! |
| Date | 23:17:26, December 02, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Peoples Justice Act of 3038 |
| Message | Rt Hon Karl Harrod, Prime Minister, Mr Speaker, again with the scrutinisation! They say they want policy answers but look at both the tories last two speeches! They are simply assaults on our party and not on our partys policy. I hope the tories realise that part of a democratic system is a working opposition. So far they have let this democracy down. |
| Date | 23:33:03, December 02, 2010 CET | From | Republican Party | To | Debating the Peoples Justice Act of 3038 |
| Message | George Oldfield, Leader of the Conservative Party, Mr. Speaker, How can the HNSC possibly talk about democracy when their party have dictated this nation for how many years? |
| Date | 23:40:00, December 02, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Peoples Justice Act of 3038 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Hutori has always been democratic. The NSC has never seen it as otherwise. It is not our fault if no-one chooses to oppose us. Is it? |
| Date | 23:42:29, December 02, 2010 CET | From | Republican Party | To | Debating the Peoples Justice Act of 3038 |
| Message | George Oldfield, Leader of the Conservative Party, Mr. Speaker, Elective dictatorship. It is still shameful that the HNSC took advantage of the situation by creating a totalitarian state, no wonder there was no opposition because the people were under so much oppression. |
| Date | 23:44:27, December 02, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Peoples Justice Act of 3038 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, we reject the party opposites sentiment. Hutori has and always will be democratic. Will the party opposite still claim it to be undemocratic when we wipe the floor with them at the next election? |
| Date | 00:49:20, December 03, 2010 CET | From | Republican Party | To | Debating the Peoples Justice Act of 3038 |
| Message | George Oldfield, Leader of the Conservative Party, Mr. Speaker, There are three left-wing parties in Hutori, how will the people choose which one to support? Our party will benefit from this and will provide fair opposition to your party in particular. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 391 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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