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Bill: Head of State Powers Reform
Details
Submitted by[?]: Labour Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 3050
Description[?]:
| I am proposing to change the powers of the HOS from a Presidential System to a more fairer Parliamentary System |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Current: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Proposed: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:58:10, December 23, 2010 CET |
From |  Labour Party | To | Debating the Head of State Powers Reform | | Message | This is a more fairer and less corrupt system. Everywhere you look around the world the least corrupt countries are the ones with a Monarch (who does nothing) as Head Of State and the Parliament is chaired by HOG: Sweden, Norway, UK, Japan, Netherlands. I believe this system is more fairer and the HOS is not some supreme figure that controls all bills and legislation |
| Date | 01:01:54, December 23, 2010 CET |
From | Democratic Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Head of State Powers Reform | | Message | The Head of States is the direct link to the people. We shall never support a monarchy that oppressed us so long ago. We have never had a monarch in the history of Aloria and I dont plan to start now. |
| Date | 01:06:14, December 23, 2010 CET |
From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Head of State Powers Reform | | Message | I'm not calling for a monarchy, the HOS can be anyone i'm just calling for their role to be symbolic which means they are just there to sit there and look pretty. If you look at any nation in the world like the way i'm proposing those nations have the least corruption as the system is more fairer and more democratic
OOC; I'm not making fun of the US I'm just calling it corrupt, which it is! |
| Date | 01:09:44, December 23, 2010 CET |
From | Democratic Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Head of State Powers Reform | | Message | OOC: Yes you are
We will never in our life as a party vote yes. The Head of states has always been elected. If this passes i tell you we will cause a civil war. |
| Date | 01:14:39, December 23, 2010 CET |
From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Head of State Powers Reform | | Message | The HOS still is going to be elected, in Malaysia they elect their HOS but their system is a Parliamentary Democracy like the one i'm proposing.. Off the top of my head I can remember that New Zealand is the least corrupt country in the world, Sweden is the most democratic, Denmark has the highest press freedom and Norway is the most developed. What do all these countries have in common? They are all PARLIAMENTARY DEMOCRACIES, and that is the same system I want here in Aloria! |
| Date | 01:17:51, December 23, 2010 CET |
From | Democratic Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Head of State Powers Reform | | Message | You want it to HEREDITARY! you know what that means, they wont be elected. Our people know our head of state is a man or women who shall always protect the nation. A man who inherits it may not have the best interests in mind. |
| Date | 01:19:23, December 23, 2010 CET |
From | Democratic Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Head of State Powers Reform | | Message | OOC: Its not the truth. Your f**king nation is corrupt in my opinion. A parliment with a king. French may be called crazy but they had the sense to overthrow a monarchy. |
| Date | 01:32:28, December 23, 2010 CET |
From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Head of State Powers Reform | | Message | The Queen does not do shit, the Queen just sits in her palace all day and has no involvement in Parliament or 10 Downing Street! She makes no damn rules! Learn some British politics and history before making wild claims like you just did. You have no ability in history the French overthrew their monarchy in the 18th century when the MONARCHS ACTUALLY HAD POWER. Nowadays they have no power and they do nothing at all! It is called a constitutional monarchy where the Monarch is symbolic and does nothing. If you're saying there will be riots then why aren't people rioting against monarchy in Japan, Sweden, UK, Canada? I tell you why! Because the monarch has no f**king meaning
Are you calling the UK more corrupt than the US? Let's take a look shall we? According to the corrpution Perception Index 2010 the least corrupt country (which is a parliamentary democracy) are two, Denmark and New Zealand, both countries that have a symbolic HOS
Now let us look at the UK and US, on 7.6 points out of 10 and on 20th spot is the UK the US is on 7.1 spot on on 22nd place. Sorry, the numbers just say it all
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index |
| Date | 01:40:11, December 23, 2010 CET |
From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Head of State Powers Reform | | Message | OOC; No actually soon China and India will rise as the new superpowers of the 20th Century and we will soon have to suck up to them not Uncle Sam or Britain
Also if have shown you with facts and all you do now is spit the dummy and dig your head in the sand when you know you are cornered and cannot escape.Times have changed my friend, the US isn't a leading light for freedom and democracy like it once was |
| Date | 01:45:18, December 23, 2010 CET |
From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Head of State Powers Reform | | Message | And why are you still voting no? I presented you with the facts and you still cannot accept that this system is more fairer, less corrupt and more democratic! |
| Date | 01:52:20, December 23, 2010 CET |
From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Head of State Powers Reform | | Message | Why can't you accept that the US isn't as democratic and non-corrupt as it once was and accept that if you want to have a well functioning democracy you need to go down the path of Canada, Sweden, Norway not the US, Russia or Zimbabwe! |
| Date | 11:27:46, December 23, 2010 CET |
From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the Head of State Powers Reform | | Message | IC: I'm voting no on this. This would make the Head of State a puppet, what would be the point of having a head of state then?
OOC: And If I see one more bad comment about the USA if it's corrupt or what, I will report it. The government might not be good, but you target the government and you specfic it that you mean the government, not the country. target the country and I will make sure you are banned from the game. My entire family has served in the armed forces and I won't let anyone disrespect the country.
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| Date | 12:22:24, December 23, 2010 CET |
From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Head of State Powers Reform | | Message | It does not make anyone look like a puppet. Instead of electing a HOS you elected the HOG which happens here in the UK, Sweden, Australia and many other countries. This is more fairer and more democratic and I have the facts to prove it if you don't believe me
OOC; if I came across wrong I didn't mean it, I have nothing against Americans and I've been there, it is a nice place especially the Vermont area. Anyway I am just criticising the US and all other presidential democracies for being more corrupt and more un-democratic than their parliamentary democracy counterparts. I do not think I cannot be banned for criticing a government that deserves it. If I showed some disrespect I meant directly to the government not to the American people. My family served in the Royal Army too in WW! and WW2 and my grandfather got killed in France in WW2 by the Germans and I share that same respect for our countries like you do |
| Date | 21:47:54, December 23, 2010 CET |
From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the Head of State Powers Reform | | Message | OOC: Fine you make sure your specfic.
Your still electing the HOS. The HOS is a puppet if you do it this way. Besides as far I as know the HOG would not be an election but still appointed in a cabinet proposal. |
| Date | 23:41:44, December 23, 2010 CET |
From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Head of State Powers Reform | | Message | How do you know?? It does not happen like that anywhere in the world! If you understood parliamentary democracy the cabinet does not appoint a HOG and the HOS is not elected you elected the HOG! If you had a look at the politics of Canada, UK, Sweden then you would get it! |
| Date | 01:09:17, December 24, 2010 CET |
From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the Head of State Powers Reform | | Message | It doesn't matter how it works in the real world, this is how the game was designed and made. I have not seen any nation have elections for HOS, and HOG seperately. This is how the games designed. |
| Date | 01:14:26, December 24, 2010 CET |
From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Head of State Powers Reform | | Message | Anyway. I know I do not have the numbers but I have come this far so I may as well take it to a vote |
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