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Bill: Fair Tax System
Details
Submitted by[?]: Aloria Green Socialist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2143
Description[?]:
| Why should we treat religious organizations as a special case. We need their tax money! |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change
Taxation of religious institutions.
Old value:: No religions are taxed.
Current: No religions are taxed.
Proposed: Religions are treated as companies, and all profit is taxed, however, charitable donations are not taxed.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:16:16, November 18, 2005 CET |
From | People's Equality Party | To | Debating the Fair Tax System | | Message | The People's Equality Party is 100% behind this bill, there is so much money being made by religions, it is only right that they are taxed. |
| Date | 02:13:19, November 19, 2005 CET |
From | Social Reform Party | To | Debating the Fair Tax System | | Message | We believe that this bill makes perfect sense. Aloria isn't taxing everything that moves, these religious organizations make plenty of profits through non-charitable means, and the SRP believes it is only fair to tax them occordingly. |
| Date | 02:29:51, November 19, 2005 CET |
From | Independent Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Fair Tax System | | Message | More tax money does not mean a solution to all problems, it's how you spend it, too. Quality not quantity. If we are more pennywise we can afford to have tax breaks. Remember, middle way is always the best and right now we may be taxing too much. We don't need more taxes. We need more tax REFORMS. |
| Date | 04:02:14, November 19, 2005 CET |
From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Fair Tax System | | Message | A religion is not a corporation nor a company and there is no reason that it should be treated as such. |
| Date | 16:12:32, November 19, 2005 CET |
From |  Fair Capitalism Party | To | Debating the Fair Tax System | | Message | Religions ARE a company or corporation if they do make money, which is why they should be taxed. |
| Date | 16:57:52, November 19, 2005 CET |
From | Independent Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Fair Tax System | | Message | Most religions usually make just enough to stay around and pay their staffs. It is not like all of them are as big or as profit making as corporations. |
| Date | 18:14:12, November 19, 2005 CET |
From | Fair Capitalism Party | To | Debating the Fair Tax System | | Message | Wages are expenditure. Non-profit regious institutions will not be taxed. Ones that do make money will be taxed like the companies they are.
(Note: This means that setups like most Churches WOULD NOT be taxed.) |
| Date | 15:24:27, November 20, 2005 CET |
From | Fair Capitalism Party | To | Debating the Fair Tax System | | Message | Alright. Lets just call every major corporation a religion. Now you can't tax them. So long, corporation tax. |
| Date | 15:59:57, November 20, 2005 CET |
From | Independent Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Fair Tax System | | Message | If you're so concerned about that, there's an option called: "Recognized religions are not taxed." Would prevent what you're saying. |
| Date | 19:15:21, November 20, 2005 CET |
From | Independent Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Fair Tax System | | Message | It goes back a "few" posts to something LCP said:
"I agree with the ICP - there's no reason to tax everything that might have a dollar in its pocket."
The question should be why we should, not why we shouldn't. It's better to balance the budget and spend money more wisely than to just tax more things. |
| Date | 19:39:04, November 20, 2005 CET |
From | Aloria Green Socialist Party | To | Debating the Fair Tax System | | Message | I think we've reached an impasse. Whether one thinks the question is 'why?' or 'why not?' depends entirely on one's ideological viewpoint. As we can see, ours differ. The AGSP believe all profit should be taxed (which we believe is fair, and shows no preference for one group over another), whilst your party thinks we should make special cases. We must agree to disagree. |
| Date | 23:22:29, November 20, 2005 CET |
From | Independent Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Fair Tax System | | Message | No, I don't believe in special cases so to speak. I believe that not everything should be taxed because throwing money at any given problem would not solve it. One needs to fix the budget by other means and only increase taxes as a last resort. I haven't seen you trying to fix the budget by other means first. |
| Date | 23:47:59, November 20, 2005 CET |
From | Aloria Green Socialist Party | To | Debating the Fair Tax System | | Message | I've certainly been wondering about all the money certain parties seem to be willing to 'throw' at devolved bureaucracy in Aloria... |
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| Vote |
Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 181 |
| no | Total Seats: 219 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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